I don't see how I get included in this discussion since I haven't seen anyone in 6 weeks but since I have been added to the list of offenders I have picked out some of the key parts of my wrongdoing to see if I can clear up the misunderstanding.
This is my last post from a thread on gyros. At this point from the end of October I had decided that it wasn't worth the effort to discuss the use of them because a non biased/impartial group of peers said they aren't worth using. From my standpoint this subject was closed.
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Originally Posted by cowboysir
Carlos,
This thread is an attempt to find out if I should continue berating gyro users or just let it be.
I'm honestly super tired of trash talking. I'd love to get everyone to build cars to a spec so we can really compete at a similar level but since we do not I wanted to find outside opinions about traction control.
I did not intend this to turn into a sort "shaming" but if users are taking it that way it kind of makes you wonder why gyro users feel that way if users think they are ok to use.
Outside opinion has pretty much said that they are a bit hokey and for certain tracks completely useless. To that end I've decided :
1. I will no longer berate users of gyros.
2. I will sit out mod class races until I have a usable mod class car. Getting bumped out of the way driving a lower powered car gets on my nerves....
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Below was my position in this very thread from a month ago....again please note "My goal in the future is to keep the but hurt to a min by keeping my mouth shut"
[QUOTE=cowboysir;462203]
My main issue about asking the mini z community about gyros was mainly to decide to myself whether or not to continue to care about the sh...stuff you put on your mod cars. I honestly am so F-ING tired of the trash talk among members because some understand that it is friendly fun poking but others get all but hurt and don't take as lightly as is meant. I felt that an outside opinion was needed and since the answer I hot was "they mostly suck " I feel I can confidently ignore gyros going forward and avoid caring enough to banter about it. My goal in the future is to keep the but hurt to a min by keeping my mouth shut. [QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by TeeSquared
My turn. All I have to say is that I accept being banned too and I accept my responsibility for why I've been banned. I'm an outspoken unfiltered passionate individual and I know darn well I piss some of you off. I probably deserve this at least on some level.
I think the root of this problem though is that my conduct is perceived as unacceptable by a group of individuals who also have unacceptable conduct, except those three won't ever admit it.
But I think that is what sets me apart...I do actually have the capacity to check myself and realize I'm partly at fault. Steve, Grant, I can't say I've ever expected the same from you. You two are so quick to jump down other peoples throats but unwilling to even consider if you might be part of the problem too. Derek at least has a handle on the fact that he pisses people off. You've given us permission to tell you to shut up but I've yet to take that liberty.
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It's insane that I've been called out for cheating when there are no rules to cheat. Derek says he's sick of trash talking but then asks if he should continue berating gyro users? Berating people is trash talking. I've had a target on the back of my head ever since I joined this club and I am pretty sure I'm going to get picked on and then blamed for complaining no matter what I do.
How can you guys dish out so much BS but then get so angry when you're called on it?
I've even had my looks made fun of by at least two different members. How low do you have to go? That's so far beyond acceptable but I've been the bigger person and let it slide. And you guys can't let a gyro go? You feel the need to bring up your body being stepped on every time you see Ryan? Sheesh! Let it go guys.
I think this parting of ways is probably best for all involved. This clubs culture is utterly toxic and I need a break. I implore Grant, Steve and Derek to carefully consider their own conduct before being so vocal about other peoples. I admit I'm half the problem, but will you guys?
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I understand why you may feel greatly offended by my discussion Thomas but I also understand you aren't reading the entire picture and cherry picking the aspects of it that offend you.
If you read over that thread again ( and I suggest you do) I don't believe at any point I said you were cheating. I had hoped that my phrasing asking if gyros was a form of cheating to an impartial membership of fellow racers would be sufficient for you to realize I didn't know if I should be concerned about the situation or not....since the membership's opinion was I shouldn't bother I felt that was enough for me to let it go. Up until this rehash and explosion of venom I hadn't given another thought.
To that end, I finally hope you understand that I meant no ill will towards you at all. I don't dwell on these things and I had hoped you didn't either.
Now that I see that it did affect you negatively and you did dwell on it constantly for over a month I feel that I have to apologize to you. I did not think my intention was to single you out in any way.
That being said and with the knowledge that "I have given people liberty to tell me to shut up" and the fact you have my contact info you could have avoided feeling wronged by taking the opportunity to text or phone me to chat about your feelings. By letting it build to the point of spitting venom via forum is unhealthy. Being a bit older and having been where you are (next time remind me to tell you how I got the nickname "cowboy") I have learnt that holding on to the daily sh...stuff that pisses you off can be detrimental to your relationships. I've developed a "spit it out and let it go" mentality that as you've noticed pisses people off but they understand and accept it from me.
I can't comment on what happened at the latest meets but I will say every one in this club does snip and barb at each other and no one is holier than thou. The point of it all is to have good natured jibs at the club to "spit it out and let it go". I don't know if anyone else lets it go but I know I do. I would hope that things said to each other are meant in good natured ribbing and if anyone feels otherwise maybe they should take an opportunity to assess what kind of person they are....I've said this before (even in the quoted thread above " some understand that it is friendly fun poking but others get all but hurt and don't take as lightly as is meant" and I hope people had understood that I've never meant any harsh words ever. If they had felt I meant it then I apologize to those offended.
I do hope to see you at Dave's meets in the future but knowing his schedule and responsibilities it may not be for a long while we have another meet in Newton. I hope that the time off will give you the opportunity to figure out a method similar to my approach of letting things go for dwelling on stupid stuff needlessly is a sure fire way to lose relationships in the long term.