ok here is my first attempt at something better for the rear! testing tomorrow so we will see what happens notice the REAL thin side carbon plates its a differnet type of carbon than typically used. i really dont like the side plate system but if i can get them to act like i want them to i may keep it, im going to try some thin g10 ans see how that goes but ultimately id like to have a "MR" type center which i will try and make tonight or tomorrow.