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Old 2016.05.17, 11:54 AM   #46
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Next question is how easy is it to fit in the stock motor pods? Reason being is Washington GTG stock class does not allow allow motor mounts. I have a spare brushless motor and I'll see how it fits but I doubt it will sit normal since the pods are designed around the D shaped can.

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Old 2016.05.17, 12:22 PM   #47
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you would have to try to slip the kyosho brushless motor casing over it or fab up your own putting a square peg in a round hole so to speak
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Old 2016.05.17, 06:04 PM   #48
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you would have to try to slip the kyosho brushless motor casing over it or fab up your own putting a square peg in a round hole so to speak
We may be the only club putting brushless motors in stock pods





In the last pic you have to bore out the larger shim for the end to fit. Don't bore out too much! Notice there is a notch at the bottom. You have to file in a notch so that the motor doesn't spin inside the shim.

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Old 2017.03.02, 12:30 PM   #49
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How do the PN brushless motors fit in the newer MM2 pod? Any modifications needed?
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Old 2017.12.08, 06:58 AM   #50
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they seem to fit fine. they do not fit so well within the standard MM pod as the spacers are not shaped to accommodate the endbell. we'll see if we can't 3d print a solution to that problem.
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Old 2017.12.08, 07:05 AM   #51
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My skills have grown! A 3d printed solution for spacers is easily achieved.

Now how do we make a set of spacers with a slight modification to the pod to accommodate a set screw for fine adjustment? ;-)

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proposed rule change

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Brushed: Kyosho Racer and AWD Stock motors only.
Brushless: PN 3500kv, Part Number 140035 only. Gearing limited to 8 tooth maximum.

we tested this combination from 6-9 tooth and 8 tooth places this on par with other top drivers in the class using stock brushed. I dare say brushed was still a touch faster as a result of our typical size track layout.
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Old 2017.12.08, 07:23 AM   #53
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My skills have grown! A 3d printed solution for spacers is easily achieved.

Now how do we make a set of spacers with a slight modification to the pod to accommodate a set screw for fine adjustment? ;-)

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it would be nice to have that level of adjustment however stock motors are not drilled and could not benefit from the feature thus making it an unfair advantage to do so for the brushless motor.

i'm sure there is a technical way to engineer the spacer to allow for shifting of the endbell position without needing to replace the entire spacer in the stock motor pod however in terms of practicality, it would seem easier to simply print a dozen spacers with slight shifts in placement. there are alloy motor pods that include adjustable endbell retainers for stock motors but these are expensive and in many cases limit compatibility with other stock parts which runs counter to the stock class program goals.
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Old 2017.12.08, 12:21 PM   #54
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It's a separate discussion but I'm talking screw adjustment perpendicular to the motor. I'll draw it up and start a new thread for it.

Also, I support the motor changes.

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Old 2017.12.08, 01:24 PM   #55
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So the regular brushless board (MZ503)or the pro brushless board (MZ505) are good? I have the MR03VE Pro MM2 chassis set and my thought was when brushless was approved for stock i could fit the PN 3500 motor in it and be good to go.
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yes, any kyosho board is fine. be sure to take the rest of the kit back to stock no ball diff, upgrade springs, stock suspension only

our testing was done with ASF brushless. we'll see if MHS bruhsless ups the ante any for overall speed. if so, may have to kick the pinion down to 7t for MHS. we'll see and adjust as necessary. our track sizes do a very good job of leveling the field.
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Thanks you! I will make sure to take the rest of the kit back to stock as well.
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We are running these every Thursday evening at Remnants track also,
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Old 2018.05.18, 07:24 AM   #59
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As of May 17, 2018; PN PNWC 70 Turn Ball Bearing Motor (132370) is acceptable is Kyosho Stock Class.

If you have a fast stock motor, your going to run the same speed as 70T. if you have a slow 70T your going to run the same speed as a stock motor. There is variation in commercial production of the motors. Blueprinting motors has been investigated and ruled out as cost prohibitive as it would double the cost of the motor, if not more.

There are any number of variables that will make one car faster than another such as; motor selection, gear mesh, battery selection, etc. The fastest car doesn't always win the race either

The addition of 70T motor may allow us to move back to 10 minute mains which is nice as it provides a bit more time to recover should you get distracted on a bad lap. Kyosho Stock class is about consistency of driving skill vs. dominating speed. Some stock motors overheat in as much as 8 minutes which is detrimental to the driver and program.
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