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Old 2009.07.22, 10:45 AM   #31
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that requires submitting a request 2 weeks in advance, which we are not gauranteed to receive permission. the food joint next door does not like the added crowds we produce (doesn't make sense i know). lets put it this way, i would not bank on this being an available option. it works once in awhile when we do fun runs for club events but i would not be willing to stake an entire HFAY season on it.
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Ed, I think it should be based on what you can accomodate comfprtably. We could definitely cram more track in our room, but it wouldnt be comfortable, and visibility would be otugh on every one. I wouldnt want it to be an event where some folks didnt want to participate because of where they had to stand, or because they cant get a spot that they can see well from.


Arch, I think it would be totally unfair to eliminate the current series without FULL support from the clubs that have been holding HFAY together. You guys have been participating in the series for as long as Ive been coming to MZR, and it would be silly for you to get the boot because the size went up to something you couldnt accomodate. It just wouldnt be right.......
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Old 2009.07.22, 12:46 PM   #33
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Well... I sure as heck don't want to be cutting anyone out either! I also don't like the fact that my space limitations drive any kind of track design for any series whatsoever!

To be honest... it sounds like a poll is in order, but not right now. We should wait to hear more arguments and points from others before we even think of posting any kind of poll questions. Maybe we need to have a poll on which questions should be included in the polls?

I'll type up some things I think should be relevant questions in regards to all of this and try to get them on this thread a little later today.
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Old 2009.07.22, 12:53 PM   #34
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Maybe we need to have a poll on which questions should be included in the polls?

This statement pretty mcuh sums up how I feel about it at this point

I think more input, from more parties is important. There are only a few clubs worth of input here. The existing clubs need to some forth with how they feel about the situation.
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Old 2009.07.22, 01:12 PM   #35
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So.... maybe a new thread in the Judges forum addressing this stuff, or just beat this one like a dead horse until we're ready to post some Judge polls?
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Old 2009.07.22, 06:48 PM   #36
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go ahead and post your summary to the judges forum. keep in mind that we never got a majority of judges to participate in anything. it require active membership which unfortunately is not a commitment some are willing to make.
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Old 2009.07.22, 07:30 PM   #37
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I know our club is wiling to do either, we have the room formthe 3WL tracks, but that would also rule out my basement as our alternate.

the warehouse we race in has plenty of room, most of the time, but when they get in larger shipments our space gets tight.

I know everyone would love the larger track, but we are willing to do either.

My problem with splitting the series it that it will decrease the # of driver (possibly), but it may also have an averse affect of adding additional clubs without cutting anyone out. this is also a positive.

I've always looked at HFAY as a way to have fun, compare times with other to gauge my improvement. I know it's not exactly on the same level as being at the same location and racing under the same variables but it's the best we can do.
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were already seeing a drop... 11 clubs to 6, that is a significant drop in drivers.
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Old 2009.07.22, 09:07 PM   #39
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were already seeing a drop... 11 clubs to 6, that is a significant drop in drivers.
True, but most of those clubs didn't just drop HFAY, they dropped Mini-Z's and no longer race.

We did pick up a few new clubs this season. One from Atlanta and one from Sweden.
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Old 2009.07.23, 02:08 AM   #40
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Oh, I thought DOW had the smallest space. Ok then, we definitely should not switch to something that excludes core clubs. I'd say stick with 2L as-is then. It's easier to setup and tear down anyway (especially in this 115deg heat).
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Old 2009.07.23, 07:16 AM   #41
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by adding a class though, do you estimate loosing more than 5 clubs total, including whatever clubs switch to the 3/4w l series? were talking a min. 15 drivers we've lost this season alone.
i'd trade off smaller series participation for great hfay participation meaning i'd rather see us back up to 11 clubs spread in 2 series than 1 series drop from 11 down to 6 clubs.
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live event

This would take a lot of co-ordinating, and we'd need to do it at a time good for everyone, but how about a world event live, where we all race on the same day at the same time. We'd obviously need an internet connection, but that's done easy enough, think we'd just need the right software to link all the clubs together at once.
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interesting idea, it's been mentioned before.

how this could fit in to a new format: existing bte layouts become new larger track series opening up the bte to become something even grander in scale such as this idea.
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if hfay points series tracks were the same size as the bte Matsushimas would definitely be interested in contesting the series
esp if using 1/28th scale rules were a possibility...
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Well... was going to get a bunch of questions together but really, if we are going to lose clubs... maybe it all good the way it is.

3WL is still going to happen with the BTEs... which is why we started it in the first place. As we all know, 2WL is still fun but it just doesn't seem to hold the glamour of the larger tracks. I think 2WL racing is awesome when you're just into an almost meditative state when racing... I'm not sure if many others who haven't done it realize how close corners get cut and how lines are just so concentrated on. It's awesome to watch 3 or 4 closely matched racers dodge lap for lap on a small track, and also to watch someone make up a 4 or 5 lap deficit to take a win. Different kind of glamour I guess.

I only suggested the 3WL because I saw the club count dropping, but I understand that some clubs just get smaller and fade out, or move onto another type of racing. So maybe the 2WL system stays put... for now?

Personally, I think actual serious race clubs would have some serious fun on the normal 2WL layouts... but it's not easy to get some racers to see what 2WL is all about.
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