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Old 2008.03.01, 02:38 AM   #1
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Tips and Tricks * Reverse * *Rest*

A tip for those that have a problem getting into reverse.

The new 2.4ghz cars have been programmed with a .2 second reverse lock out.

To get the car to go into reverse; from neutral tap full reverse with the trigger. Let the trigger go back to neutral. Then slowly go into reverse like normal.

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just took a picture a bit easier for me to do... (it was a bit of a drag having to download the pdf file...)
note: found this in the mr02lm manual and not the kt-18 manual... kinda weird... i think there were some stuff in the mr02ml manual that should be in the kt-18 manual, and some things in the kt-18 that should be in the mr02lm manual (just my opinion)...

anyway here ya go... just looks kinda intimidating with all the instructions in different languages... but it's just really 3 simple steps - as i simplified in my first post...
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Old 2008.03.01, 08:37 AM   #2
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Is it possible, to change this programming? Feels kind of weird in comparison to normal AM Mini-Z.
Do you know, which ICS adapter is necessary for programming?

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Old 2008.03.01, 02:38 PM   #3
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Looks like it'll have it's own specific connector.

I think the controller has to be reset first. Mine came with some weird endpoints and throttle points and the reverse was horrible. Tried to fix it myself through individually going through each, but just resetting it made it easier lol. After resetting it properly, the brake and reverse time is manageable... To a degree lol.

I assumed you had to be at full stop, then wait for .2 and then reverse... when it rolls forward, doesn't the nuetral time ramp up?

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Old 2008.03.02, 01:45 AM   #4
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Glitch Free.

Reverse works just like the AM module. You have to hit the brake, then let off, then go into reverse. The only trick is, you have to hold the break in full stop for .2 seconds. It takes some getting used to. It's doable, but we are all hopeful that the setting on the car can be changed with the ICS link. We'll have to wait and see.

On a very, very positive note: This thing is glitch free! We had one running in a stock class. It was odd to see the little kt-18 on the drivers stand with PK3's, Helios, EX-U1's, and M11's. All that expensive hardware and the only one not glitching was the Kt-18.

At our track, even AD bands have been known to glitch when there is a full line up.

I can't wait for the Helios module.
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Old 2008.03.02, 02:44 AM   #5
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is this proablem in the radio or the board?
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Old 2008.03.02, 02:52 AM   #6
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Tim told me he thinks it's programed into the board.
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Old 2008.03.02, 02:54 AM   #7
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Tim told me he thinks it's programed into the board.
i hope it can be changed......it cost me 4 seconds a lap if i hit the wall.....thats half a lap
i think i will race the rcx race with this radio if this proablem can be fixed....
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Old 2008.03.02, 03:04 AM   #8
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The thing is, you'll need the new software for the ICS, and haven't heard a peep out of anyone about when it will be available.

Still, with all the radio noise going on at RCX, it may be worth it to run the 2.4 anyway.
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Old 2008.03.02, 08:11 AM   #9
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I noticed that you cannot engage reverse if steering input is applied. Do you notice the same with your cars? If you have no steering input, engage reverse then you can steer and it works fine.

Totally glitch free!!! Kinda bugged me out, since theres sections of the track that I ALLWAYS get a slight jolt, and I have kind of developed certain lines to anticipate them. My
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Old 2008.03.02, 06:14 PM   #10
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I had that problem before I reset the tx correctly. Now steering input can be put in with no issues while reversing. Resetting should be the first thing done after pairing imo.

I had a few issues in resetting, as everything went in reverse after a few different resets lol. When it finally was done right, issues went away.

For reversing, I actually do a full stop, pull my finger away then click the trigger into the controller (full reverse) pull away again, and then go into reverse. Works perfectly every time and is pretty short... I think lol.

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Old 2008.03.02, 07:31 PM   #11
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Unhappy anti reversing - this is bad for racing

It just doesnt make any sense to have changed the reversing. 3 guys today alone, wrapped up their 2.4's and perfex (anti-reverse) transmitters and swore them off forever in racing. It certainly puts fear in you to crash and need to reverse. Its just not intuitive or consistant.

I akso dont think ICS will help, I know you cant use the AD band software or wiring , but there is nothing in that ICS software related to braking in any way. There is no logic to adding a lock out to the 2.4, unless it was necessary , thus (IMO) probably no way to remove it.

Its certainly doable to use it in a race environment, but the advantage goes to all other models before the 2.4.

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Old 2008.03.02, 08:29 PM   #12
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Let me not be PC here for a sec.... Don't crash.

ok...back to PC......

the purpose of the reverse delay is to allow you to play with breaking more. You have a better range of breaking, as well as reverse not kicking in when you let off the breaks, and get back into them.

Now, to activate reverse quickly, Follow the tip I posted on the first post. That will help you tramendously. If I don't explain it well enough in my first post, let me know guys. I will post a video to help explain better.

It will take a bit of time to get used to the new reverse activation. I know it will take me some time
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Old 2008.03.02, 09:24 PM   #13
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Let me not be PC here for a sec.... Don't crash.

ok...back to PC......

the purpose of the reverse delay is to allow you to play with breaking more. You have a better range of breaking, as well as reverse not kicking in when you let off the breaks, and get back into them.

Now, to activate reverse quickly, Follow the tip I posted on the first post. That will help you tramendously. If I don't explain it well enough in my first post, let me know guys. I will post a video to help explain better.

It will take a bit of time to get used to the new reverse activation. I know it will take me some time
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it is braking.... not breaking(unless you cannot brake properly)
the reality is it is "new" and give it a chance. Everyone is used to doing things a certian way (safety zone) move out of it and learn how to do something new and you may be surprised......
Any of the Cruizin guys want to sell there 2.4s im interested......
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Old 2008.03.02, 09:46 PM   #14
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big thanks to tim for helping address the "reverse" issue... haven't tried your tip just yet though...

hmm... i've also noticed that you can't go into reverse if your wheels aren't straight (neutral - no steering input)
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Old 2008.03.02, 09:56 PM   #15
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I think my crash counts have been reduced just due to fear of having to reverse. That may be good, if I can continue to do it when I pick my speed back up. However, crashes are not always self inflicted.

I can use the reverse with not much problem using Tims tip and some practice. However, during a race, all motions speed up, and you tend to beat the delay with your finger stroke, and thus no reverse... and many times with the field nearing at race speed, eeeekk. As with anything new, you should always give it a chance, god knows Im old enough to have learned that!
I have raced it for several hours, (in simulated racing, with 3 and 4 others) and I still miss getting the new reversing technique, more than I make it. My car has been exposed to injury, and my race position lost.
I already use braking often in my race style, (adjusted in my 3pk) and that has never been an issue with my 02MM nor is it now with the 2.4 model 02LM. No change there that I can see, except the perfex can adjust braking, wheras the old stock controller couldnt.

??Tim how does the LM allow me to play with braking, that is different over my MM ??

There are also many drivers that become frustrated sooner than others, and they just close the door and move back to their 02, etc. However, Ill ask those who were annoyed if they want to sell them . I think they want them, just never to race, thus my original post title. I speak only for myself, and not for cruizin.

Berm.. have you raced yours yet?

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