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Old 2013.03.06, 12:07 AM   #1
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Pnwc 2013

PNWC 2013 needs a thread.


I got curious and found the rules ( http://s431563875.initial-website.com/rules/ ) for PNWC 2013 and it states that one is to run on the smooth side of the RCP track.

Anybody has some insight into why run on the smooth side?
Is it to slow things down? PN has som e new tires that work very well on that side?
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Old 2013.03.06, 03:34 AM   #2
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Hmmm... Interesting... Very interesting... Good find!
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Old 2013.03.06, 04:54 AM   #3
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I saw on RC Kenon's f******k page that they started running on the smooth side last month with very little changes to their setups.
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Old 2013.03.06, 07:39 AM   #4
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I was curious as to why the change as well. we don't typically run the PNWC races as we don't have room, but wondered why they changed what side they were running on.
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Old 2013.03.06, 09:30 AM   #5
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I was curious as to why the change as well. we don't typically run the PNWC races as we don't have room, but wondered why they changed what side they were running on.
the surface change has been discussed over the last few years as many clubs all over the world run the smooth side with no problems and i for one welcome the new challenge!

there are +/-
+ for the smooth side:
more consistent surface form tile to tile(even with the wide range of different rcp/kyosho/xmod tracks/thickness that we have ranging from 2002-2008)
much cleaner(no rcp dust just tire dust)
tires last almost twice as long(from a buisness stand point this is a bad thing)
a wider range of tires work well on this side(even the kyosho slicks)
NO set up change from the surface change for me!

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having to spend the time to turn the track over
tires last almost twice as long



that being said... i feel the smooth side has alot of rear grip and less front bite making it easier to drive harder into corners without the fear of traction roll...
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Old 2013.03.06, 09:48 AM   #6
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In my opinion one of the great thing that has always held the mini-z community together was the face that with running on the same surfaces anyone could travel to any other club or race location and know pretty much know what to expect from location to location. It seems that with in the last year there have been some groups that want to change it up and have moved from RCP to Carpet, or changed the side that the RCP is run on. I know it's the right of each group to decide what they want to do and how but at the same time it can cause problems and hesitation for people as to what to expect when going to race at different events as they are no long able to practice at home tracks giving some an advantage over those that don't have the access to the same products. I feel this can hurt participation in the events moving forward, similar to larger scales running carpet and asphalt, most will simply prefer one of the other and stay within their comfort zone.
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Old 2013.03.06, 10:05 AM   #7
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^ I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

Other than my home RCP track and the one at my LHS, I have run on 3 others that I can think of, all on the rough side, and none were even close to the others and setup changes were always required, sometimes major.

I've never run on the smooth side of RCP, although I always wanted to. As soon as I get a chance, I will flip my small home track and try it out. If only 1/2 of what Grant said about the smooth side is true, I may not switch back

Change can be good (sometimes). I applaud PN for mixing it up a little
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Old 2013.03.06, 10:34 AM   #8
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I like the idea of changing things up. PN is trying to keep us on our toes, and to also make sure their series doesn't go stagnant. They are the leaders of innovation in our scale, and I like the fact that they are mixing it up, and trying to keep our scale fresh and interesting.

I don't think RCP rough sided racing brings us closer together as a group, as the track conditions and grip levels can simply not be duplicated track to track. There have been two different times over the years that we had two separate RCP tracks in our town. Set ups had to be modified from one to the other. I have traveled from Northern NJ all the way down to Orlando FL, racing on permanent and temporary tracks, RCP and various carpets. No two tracks are the same...ever. Surface is not the only contributing factor, and you can find many discussions about RCP variances through out this forum. I could recount a bunch of my experiences (and will if any one wants to hear them, lol), but the reality is, if you travel to any other track, you need to be prepared to adapt. The people that aren't willing to adapt aren't going to travel to other tracks anyway, no matter what the surfaces are.

Again, I am happy to see PN switching things up again this year (last year they swapped the straight to the driver's stand side, and changed the running direction), and it will motivate me to participate again. PN has supported my track and club for years and years in more ways than one. Every year I think I'm not going to do a regional they make some interesting change, and keep me coming back

Now, if we could get PN to let me run less qualifiers, I'd be golden!!! I hate being forced to do a two day event, and with the level of participation we get, it's impossible to do four rounds and the mains in one day. That's the only thing holding me back form pulling the trigger in setting a date right now.
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Old 2013.03.12, 07:08 PM   #9
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There are people who have a deep interest in this hobby and decide to travel to race at other locations. I have traveled to various tracks around the USA, farthest being in Myrtle Beach.

The PNWC is just more than a race. It allows people to make new friends and share their knowledge with others, which in turn helps others back at home tracks.

As for the smooth side for the PNWC, I will try it this weekend and post some tips.
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Old 2013.04.12, 09:05 AM   #10
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We ran the PNWC laayout Smooth side up last weekend. took about 2:30 hours to reverse and lay the track.
Have to say it made a nice change, although our track needs a good wash before the next time we run it.
We did hoover the track but the grip levels between titles was quite noticable.

Not sure how lap times would compare to Rough side up but we did manage to get down into the mid 10's on the smooth side with old tyres.

Bring on new tyres and a clean track

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Old 2013.04.22, 02:08 AM   #11
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So, we also made our track with the smooth side up, and grip is none existing..

someone mentioned cleaning, how is this best done?
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So, we also made our track with the smooth side up, and grip is none existing..

someone mentioned cleaning, how is this best done?
vacuum the track than mop it with a slightly DAMP mop... just to pick up the dust...pn 6 radials rears and x 15 fronts...
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Old 2013.04.22, 03:40 PM   #13
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vacuum the track than mop it with a slightly DAMP mop... just to pick up the dust...pn 6 radials rears and x 15 fronts...
Thanks!

I'll give it a go, and see if we get it to work..
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Old 2013.05.13, 03:48 AM   #14
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traction is coming to our track, brand new tires helped out....

after we received a batch of new tires thing went from bad to OK.
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We're using Kyosho tyres and so far for Stock MZW38-20 rear and MZW-37-30 Front works really well on the smooth side when the track is warmed up.

For the Mod I was trying to get the VE working but 20r-30f just didnt give enough grip at the back. Am looking to try some 10's at the next meet on the back.
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