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Old 2008.09.20, 12:37 PM   #1
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Thumbs up SAS Pro Setup Thread

I figured we have SAS set up thread, so we need a SAS PRO thread.

This is copy from the SAS set up thread that I posted recently. This is what I found out from my recently purchased SAS PRO.

my AWD is very fast with the stock kyosho rear end but it seems to bounce to much when I hit a rough part on the RCP (also we run on a half banked track that has a nice flat infield). So I bit the bullet and tried the SAS pro. Well, I have to say this thing is great, I never tried the original SAS, but this one is great. What I noticed is more stable rear end and now its very hard to flip my AWD on my mini 96 track. My lap times are the same, but because I dont flip I am able to do 10 laps faster because I dont flip and I dont have to correct the car has much due to lost of control. So, in short I am more consistent.

Set up is has follows:

98mm on Mclaren LM

Front:
Green pro springs
+2 offset rims
atomic 40 degree grove
2 degree of camber
very minimal droop in the front

Rear:
Silver springs
about .6 t .8 mm of droop
+1 offset rims
30 degree kyosho wide
1 degree of camber
0 toe in (I was worried I would have to much traction from previous post I may try 1 degree toe in later)

I just started to use the SAS pro today, so far I like it and I feel there is room for me to improve on it.
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Old 2008.09.20, 01:45 PM   #2
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Hi Philip,
I think that Ur next step should be trying -2 degree camber at rear then after test it, try orange springs at rear as well.
In my opinion +1 offset at rear is to much with the Mclaren FI LM shell, you should try that the wheels don't expose out of the body fenders as a protection in the case you hit a side-wall from the track or if someone hits you on the rear sides of your car during a race.
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Old 2008.09.20, 08:30 PM   #3
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Hi eztuner12

Your right, the rear wheels are a at the brink of exposure. I was going back and forth with the enzo and Mclaren and wondering if I would use the Mclaren for a race with all exposure. Ill try your set up of 0 offset and 2 dregree camber and see. Also, I positioned my rear shocks in the middle hole in the upper deck. How do these holes effect handling? which is better for tight track and fast track?
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Old 2008.09.20, 09:43 PM   #4
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Philip.
About the position of the rear shocks donít go to the outer holes, that will make your rear end bounce do to the increase of the shock travel, like an off-roar car. Set-up the top section of the shock on the last hole toward the inside of the upper shock tower (upper-deck) as an ďAĒ angle, this will reduce the travel of the shock and your chassis rear-end will become more stable, this is called " laying the shock down" this is good for high traction or bite tracks as carpet or RCP. The more inclined shock angle, you will achieve;
More progressive damping.
Improved lateral traction.
Softer initial shock damping.
Handling will be more forgiving.
Unquestionably your chassis will become more stable as I mentioned earlier. This are characteristics you want to accomplish on an on-road chassis to improve its handling
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Philip, try 3mm narrow rear wheels with the new 20d Kyosho radials Works wonders on my 015, although wear is a bit faster than the 8d PN radials that I used to use... Im still using them with no tread at all, and the rear is a little loose but controllable. Grip is just as good with the worn tires as new N 8d PN radials.

The narrow rear wheels will help the car rotate more as well as accelerate a little faster out of the corners.
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Old 2008.09.21, 10:44 AM   #6
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Philip, try 3mm narrow rear wheels with the new 20d Kyosho radials Works wonders on my 015, although wear is a bit faster than the 8d PN radials that I used to use... Im still using them with no tread at all, and the rear is a little loose but controllable. Grip is just as good with the worn tires as new N 8d PN radials.

The narrow rear wheels will help the car rotate more as well as accelerate a little faster out of the corners.
Hi Eugene

I tried the kyosho 20 narrows with +3 offset it worked great for the infield but on Maj's track I could not carry enough speed on the banked section of the track without spinning out. That was with my stock kyosho rear set up I haven't tried this set up with the SAS PRO nor have I tried the new Kyosho 20d radial. In short I'll will try your recommendation with the SAS PRO
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That banking makes it very difficult, doesnt it
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That banking makes it very difficult, doesnt it
Yeah I can set up my car to run great for a flat track and then I bring it to Maj's and the set up does not work. However, once I get my car to work at Maj's that set up works great on any track with maybe slight changes with front springs. I think its just the banked section of the track allows you to carry so much speed around the sweeper that any little tunning problem that never showed its ugly head will come out to haunt you. In short, your car has to be in top shape to carry that much speed on the sweeper.
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Yeah I can set up my car to run great for a flat track and then I bring it to Maj's and the set up does not work. However, once I get my car to work at Maj's that set up works great on any track with maybe slight changes with front springs. I think its just the banked section of the track allows you to carry so much speed around the sweeper that any little tunning problem that never showed its ugly head will come out to haunt you. In short, your car has to be in top shape to carry that much speed on the sweeper.
To my opinion it sound like your chassis is tweaked, revise it. Sorry, Maj’s stands for?
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To my opinion it sound like your chassis is tweaked, revise it. Sorry, Majís stands for?
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Hi eztuner12

Maj is the owner of Maj's Hobbie Shop also know has MHS. Tweaked...hmm possible. The sweeper at Maj's has some bumps that really test your suspension. If your able to set it up to run and take those bumps with minimal problem then your good. What I notice my AWD with the SAS Pro is able to take those bumps with no problem. My second AWD with the SAS Pro maybe tweaked because it has some bounce not has much has the stock kyosho set up, but still some.
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Well, I just found out my mistake. Friction grease is a good thing, however, to much can be a bad thing. I cleaned out both rear shocks and put very little friction grease and voila!!! bounce is solved. Now when I drop the rear end on the table I dont get a bounce it just dampens like an off road car with oil shocks (well almost like one you get the picture )

eztuner12 I dont have the orange springs yet so I could not try your set up. When I get them I'll let you know.

I think my next track test will be even better then today.

Also, other with the SAS Pro kit please share your thoughts about the SAS Pro. I really think its a great optional part for the AWD.
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Has anyone tried a 94mm setup with the SAS Pro? I know 94mm AWDs had a tendency to have a bouncy rear. I was wondering if the SAS Pro would cure that.
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I have yet to take my SAS Pro out of the package. I have had it a few months, I just dont drive AWD much. I did drive 94mm with the old SAS, and it bounced a bit more than at 98mm. I think it was too much bite, that the car had difficulty rotating and would bounce around the corner instead.
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Hi Everyone

Well, I had a chance to run the AWDs and they both performed well, they took the banked sweeper with no problems and in the infield the cars were on rails. Only different setting from last run was I used 20 degree kyosho wide rears, this reduced my overstear and now the cars rotates evenly around the turns. I notice the Mclaren has more steering then the Enzo. I guess its because I used the 20 degree kyosho LM rear tires on the Enzo, those tires are wider and thicker than the normal wides rears. On Thursday will be race nite at Maj's Ill let you guys know what happens.
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"I used 20 degree kyosho wide rears"
Are those Kyosho MZW17-20 Rear Wide?? For my driving style, this are the best rear tires. I guess to many other pilots as well.
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