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Old 2005.02.02, 02:05 PM   #16
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thanks. that is indeed a speed course. this is my track
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Old 2005.02.02, 03:38 PM   #17
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thanks. that is indeed a speed course. this is my track

That should get you in the ballpark. I reproduced the setup on another one of my cars and had the same results. Although the pattern on the H plate, how it was cut out of the carbon fiber, made some difference. Your track is cool. This setup will work on your track. Half my track is fast and the other half is slow (two tile wide sections) The car will allow you to carry more speed through the slow sections. Let me know how it works out. A couple of guys in our club drove my car and liked it alot.
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Old 2013.03.06, 10:36 AM   #18
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^ I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

Other than my home RCP track and the one at my LHS, I have run on 3 others that I can think of, all on the rough side, and none were even close to the others and setup changes were always required, sometimes major.

I've never run on the smooth side of RCP, although I always wanted to. As soon as I get a chance, I will flip my small home track and try it out. If only 1/2 of what Grant said about the smooth side is true, I may not switch back

Change can be good (sometimes). I applaud PN for mixing it up a little
we understand that we cant please everybody!...for our club i turned the track with out even asking my club members ... i think that it caught all of my guys by surprise... but i can honestly say that i have heard no complaints from any body at all... nothing but praise for this surface... and i have also had guests from Guatemala and Texas run on this surface with no complaints....
as far as different surfaces... i have run on a few different surfaces and many different rcp tracks all over the world... and not one track has been the same as the other...and for me this is no big deal....
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Old 2013.03.06, 10:39 AM   #19
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I'm not saying they are exactly the same, but pretty similar. I've traveled and raced with lots of different clubs over the years. I've raced with groups in Virginia, Georgia, Wyoming, California, Southern Utah as well as my home track here. Unfortunately I was in the Carolina's before you guys started racing. yes some have had more traction than others an that probably more of an environmental issues with humidity, temperature and of course track use.

some of the advantages do sound good, especially the extended tire life. I might have to give it a try and see what I think.

Any info on how other brands of tires run on the smooth side?
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Old 2013.03.06, 10:44 AM   #20
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Grant, thanks for the additional info. so this was more of an experiment that in the end was liked by they races there? I would gather that if no one complained about it that they liked it. If I have some time before our race on Thursday I'll have to give this a try and see what our club thinks.
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Old 2013.03.06, 10:47 AM   #21
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we understand that we cant please everybody!...
I'm pleased! Did you mean to attach Brian's post instead?
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I'm pleased! Did you mean to attach Brian's post instead?
I didn't say I was displeased, I simple asked a question looking for some info as none was posted.
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I'm pleased! Did you mean to attach Brian's post instead?
sorry i just attached to the last post for my reply....
there was fear last year when philip and i went to paris to race in there championship... they ran it on the smooth side... philip and i ran pn rubber rrr06 and x15... and we ended up doing well
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changing sides is awsome! RCP made both sides usable for a reason and i applaud the decision to make a change! in general, people don't like change but it's best for the hobby to introduce some change every once in awhile. first it was always carpet, painted wood. they RCP took over and now your starting to see carpet come back. life is cyclical

brian, how about a smooth side HFAY? can't hurt to try for a season
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changing sides is awsome! RCP made both sides usable for a reason and i applaud the decision to make a change! in general, people don't like change but it's best for the hobby to introduce some change every once in awhile. first it was always carpet, painted wood. they RCP took over and now your starting to see carpet come back. life is cyclical

brian, how about a smooth side HFAY? can't hurt to try for a season
this is why I was asking the question, I don't know if we just open it up and allow whatever side the club decides to run?? or specify a side. I'll open a thread on it in the HFAY forum.
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Old 2013.03.06, 11:53 AM   #26
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I didn't say I was displeased, I simple asked a question looking for some info as none was posted.
Sorry Brian, I didn't mean to suggest that you were displeased. I was confused as to why Grant quoted my response, but he has cleared that up.

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sorry i just attached to the last post for my reply....
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Old 2013.03.07, 01:23 AM   #27
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Here in Germany the smooth side is the recommend surface.
Weīve ran it for many years and about 95% of the clubs do so.
Back in 2011 we switched to the rough side for the PNWC Series here in Hamburg and after a while we didnīt want to switch again.
We love it to drive on the rough side, a lot of grip without any special tire treatment.
The problem is, that nearly every club is using traction compound to ran on the smooth suface and itīs hard to find the right setup for driving without.
Two weeks ago we set up the 2013 regional layout, you can still see the traction compound that was used before turn to the rough side and the driving is like ice skating.
The club owner allows to use traction compound and with an upcoming huge event (European Mini Z Challenge) which is held on the smooth side with tire treatment, a few drivers still using it.
For us, who love the PN Series and following it, itīs very dissapointing that the side has changed.
We know that the change is a new challenge like the little changes the last years ( Driving direction and so) and thatīs what make the series so fantastic but for us itīs really bad.

It will be a hard time till Paris
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Old 2013.03.07, 07:20 AM   #28
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Sounds like the issue is you can't run on the smooth side of your RCP track without traction compound because it was used on that side before and without it the smooth suface is too slick.

I don't have any experience with traction compound, so this may be a dumb question, but is there any way to clean it off the smooth side of the RCP so it is like it was before using traction compound? Maybe you should contact user RCPMini-z (designer and owner of RCP Tracks) or maybe some of the others here have experience with cleaning tracks?

Hope you can find a solution other than buying all new RCP
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Old 2013.03.07, 08:51 AM   #29
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Without compound is very slippery and a real competition

Cleaning or a new track isnīt an option, we are only a few drivers who wants to perform on the PNWC, most of the driver staying at the textured side tracks (we have 3 tracks).
We have a discussion about using traction compound for the last years but the track manager will not forbid using it and he donīt want to do anything like cleaning
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Old 2013.03.07, 08:59 AM   #30
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so what do you do when the rules specifically state that no traction compound can be used. it doesn't sound like running on this track would be leagal at all under the stated rules. I'm curious as to why traction compound was being used on the smooth side and not needed on the textured side? is there that much less traction?

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