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Old 2009.10.07, 01:35 AM   #31
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Hello pinwc4,

Thanks a lot for your work.
I understand that at this time you think you can be able to use the kyosho lap counter with the core tags and your software would soon be able to use the Kyosho lap counter. But as the Kyosho tags and the generic one you use are different I prefer asking the question rather than been disappointed...

Would your software also work with the Kyosho lap counter and Tags?

Thanks a lot for the precision.

PS: If you need some testing with the kyosho lap counter and tags let me know. We can manage to use it at the club in different ways to help you.
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Old 2009.10.07, 10:40 AM   #32
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Hello pinwc4,

Thanks a lot for your work.
I understand that at this time you think you can be able to use the kyosho lap counter with the core tags and your software would soon be able to use the Kyosho lap counter. But as the Kyosho tags and the generic one you use are different I prefer asking the question rather than been disappointed...

Would your software also work with the Kyosho lap counter and Tags?

Thanks a lot for the precision.

PS: If you need some testing with the kyosho lap counter and tags let me know. We can manage to use it at the club in different ways to help you.
I expect the Kyosho tags to work, yes, though I have not verified this yet. I still need to get one to finish up my work. I tempted just buy a DNano and then sell it here when I am done just so I can get this finished.

Or if anyone is willing to let me borrow a DNano for a week I am willing to pay for the USPS priority shipping (preferably US people though so shipping is not crazy expensive).
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Old 2009.10.07, 10:44 AM   #33
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email me, i have a dnano you can borrow.
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Old 2009.10.07, 06:10 PM   #34
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email me, i have a dnano you can borrow.
I sent you an email with some information including my email address. Thanks for the help
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Old 2009.10.07, 06:24 PM   #35
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got it. i'll have it in the mail asap. enjoy
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Old 2009.10.23, 12:47 PM   #36
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Thanks to Arch2B I have a Dnano he let me borrow and have gotten quite a bit of useful data with it.

The current status is I have the software working somewhat with the Kyosho IC lap counter at this point. A few times it has missed laps for me, at this point I am not sure if it is timing in the software or just because of a poorly place tag.

The larger tags we used with the Core lap counter do not work well with the Kyosho lap counter. This is not a protocol issue, just a result of the design of the antenna that goes under the track. It looks like to use generic tags we will have to use the small tag type and mount them lower on the car, preferably on the bottom. Also make sure to protect the exposed side of the TI tags. It is easy to short out the antenna or damage the chips on those. I usually use some packing tape to cover it up.

The Kyosho lap counter does not have as large a read range as the Core lap counter, it seems to only pick up tags at most ~3 inches above the track if nothing is in between, like a cars batteries etc.

The Kyosho lap counter has an automatic polling mode but instead of returning the UID of the RFID tag it returns the data in block 2 of the tag. I assume they are writing unique data to each tag before shipping. Unfortunatly I can not use this automatic polling method as it seems to be able to verify if the block of data is correct, maybe some sort of checksum or something. Instead I am using the same method as was used with the Core, checking the lap counter every 1/100th of a second for a tag. I am going to play around a little more with this as I would prefer the lap counter to just do the polling itself.

The DNano will work with the Core lap counter using this software. But it can not detect the DNano in the center of the antenna, it must be placed near the antenna conductor to be detected.

Overall I like the Core hardware more than this new Kyosho lap counter but since they are not sold anymore this is what we have to work with.
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Old 2009.11.06, 08:14 AM   #37
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Hello pinwc4,
thanks for your work , looks good and got all what I m missing at the kyosho home edition.
IIn the past I ve had also problems with the signal strenght on Dnanos (caused by water hoses in the floor !)
generaly the RFID s on mini-z have more signal strenght because they are mounted lower to the floor.
If you send me a modyfied piece of your software I can test it (win/linux) with different dnanos and mini-z simultaniously on my hometrack under race conditions.

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Old 2009.11.06, 02:24 PM   #38
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Hello pinwc4,
thanks for your work , looks good and got all what I m missing at the kyosho home edition.
IIn the past I ve had also problems with the signal strenght on Dnanos (caused by water hoses in the floor !)
generaly the RFID s on mini-z have more signal strenght because they are mounted lower to the floor.
If you send me a modyfied piece of your software I can test it (win/linux) with different dnanos and mini-z simultaniously on my hometrack under race conditions.

best regards
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Thanks for the offer, I plan on having a new version released soon that will support this. The source code currently has some support but I have a couple big changes to make to the source before it will be complete so if you run the source code it may miss laps at the moment. I will be able to get this resolved completely soon.

Most likely the next release will be in just over 2 weeks assuming no new obstacles. But there is a big catch, this release will only support the DNano's and other Kyohso tags with the Kyosho lap counter. I am still working on software to initialize generic tags to be used with the Kyosho lap counter.

Right now to make generic tags work I am programming them manually using a different RFID reader (Core) and then I can use them with the Kyosho lap counter. I am working on a better method though. Hopefully I will have an easy to use program to initialize generic tags soon. This will only have to be done once for each generic tag that will be used.
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Old 2009.11.23, 05:26 PM   #39
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OK, I have uploaded a test version of the software with Kyosho IC support. You can download it here:
http://www.flipsideracing.org/downlo...aceWin-428.zip

I am not publishing this version on the main page yet as I have not had time to test it in actual races. Please provide any feedback for this version, I will continue to bug fix it and hopefully get an official version .34 out.
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Old 2009.11.24, 02:15 PM   #40
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Program uploaded.

We will test it at the club and let you know our impressions and comments.

Thanks a lot for your work!
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Old 2009.12.05, 10:31 AM   #41
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A new build is available for download here:
http://www.flipsideracing.org/downlo...aceWin-433.zip

Hopefully this will take care of the Kyosho bug that you encountered.
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Old 2009.12.08, 07:23 AM   #42
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I just tried to use the .NET wrapper for the (FDTXX_NET) but was not able to use the lap time detector from kysho to read something from a dnano car or a "RI-I11-112A-03" tag. I guess it has been a while since I coded that close to the hardware...

Then I downloaded a demo of realbasic 2009 and the source from the trunk. My idea was to find out how you did it. (Even though I'm not familiar with realbasic.) In the trunk I only found three project files (.rbp). But none of them looked like the main project. Is it checked in?

I have one dnano, and a few tags. Let me know If I can test anything for you. I could test on Windows and Linux. Im interested in helping with the generic tags.

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Old 2009.12.08, 08:59 AM   #43
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I just tried to use the .NET wrapper for the (FDTXX_NET) but was not able to use the lap time detector from kysho to read something from a dnano car or a "RI-I11-112A-03" tag. I guess it has been a while since I coded that close to the hardware...

Then I downloaded a demo of realbasic 2009 and the source from the trunk. My idea was to find out how you did it. (Even though I'm not familiar with realbasic.) In the trunk I only found three project files (.rbp). But none of them looked like the main project. Is it checked in?

I have one dnano, and a few tags. Let me know If I can test anything for you. I could test on Windows and Linux. Im interested in helping with the generic tags.

Cheers
To read from the commands you need to know the specific serial commands that Kyosho created for this reader. As far as I can tell it is not a published protocol. You can find what I have figured out about the serial protocol here:

https://www.flipsideracing.org/proje...shoICserialcom

As for checking out the code I am not sure what is going on there. Everything is checked in, that repository is what I am actively using. There should have been far more than 3 files. I tested a checkout of http://www.flipsideracing.org/svn/trunk using RapidSVN with no login and was able to check out all of the code.

I will probably have an first attempt at a program to initialize generic tags this week.

If you want to chat further on the more technical stuff message me through the forum so we can chat via email.
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Old 2009.12.09, 10:15 PM   #44
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OK, I have a basic app for initializing generic RFID tags to be used with the Kyosho lap counter. You can download it here:

http://www.flipsideracing.org/downlo...hoRFIDInit.zip

Do not use it on Kyosho tags, if you do they will no longer work with the Kyosho software.

The latest build of .34 has a bug with the select racers screen. If you click scan to scan racers in it will only register a racer after another racer is scanned.

I will probably remove the scan button altogether for the Kyosho hardware anyways though. It can not work like it did for the Core reader. With the Kyosho hardware only 1 car can be on the antenna at a time during the scan. With the Core reader you could line everyone up at once which is why that button was there.
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Old 2010.01.08, 08:18 AM   #45
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Happy new year to you pinwc4
Your job is genius,i am happy to say you,is perfect.
I inialised this tag texas instrument:RI-I03-112A-03 and after i can use your software, i use only alone but i think is ok for many tag.
Thanks you very much to share your work,you are "the king of the world" .
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