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Old 2007.01.29, 11:42 AM   #31
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Either way is good. The 1 hour Scramble idea sounds like fun.
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Old 2007.01.29, 12:08 PM   #32
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that could be fun i can make sure we have pcb's for each team if the resst of us can come up with the rest of the parts. this way we all atleast have the same guts to start from.

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i can get parts kits for each team to build a car and the prize could simply be each team splits the car parts as they choose at the end?

we would have to agree on a chassis type type though. that way all i have to do is get 3/4 of everything. it would be like a build-off that each team would have to drive as well.

the upside to this is that no ones feels over protective of the car. you get to drive it like you stole it

if we can pick a body type i can get white bodies that each team can decorate as they choose as well. it would be nice to have a choice for bodies but it's cheaper to get only as many as needed vs. having left overs.

if we choose teams early the team could pick the body atleast.

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Old 2007.01.29, 12:59 PM   #33
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here is another idea..... proivided i can work this out with mini-z. i can get 3/4 identical mr-01 rtr kits (because i might be able to get a good deal on these). we could give a time limit for team modifications and everyone run this car for the event. i could ensure each team has access to the same option parts like tie rods, h plates, bearings, and maybe springs and knuckles.

i can then get smaller prizes for the winners since i don't think splitting an mr-01 rtr would make much of a prize.

yet another option would be to start from a chassis kit but i like the idea of a full build up.
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Old 2007.01.29, 01:18 PM   #34
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the more i think about it, the more i like the build-off idea. it could be a mini-z build-off lemans race! that should get attention nad i've never heard of that being done before

infact, drop the f1 aspect and make it a 3 hour event since it will be a stand alone event. 1 hour build time and 2 hours of team racing? what do you guys think? this still puts us in our typical race time frame.

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Old 2007.01.29, 01:55 PM   #35
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Would we be able to bring our own parts? I am thinking diffs, bearings, tires, motors, etc.

I would also be willing to do it from one of my own chassis. We could buy a body as a team or maybe you can pick a surprise body and we all have to tune the car and drive that body.

Ooooh, I like that. We just have to come with enough parts and chassis so we could run anything from a porsche to a minivan.

You wouldn't have to buy any chassis sets and we wouldn't have to figure out which team member gets to keep the chassis in the end. We would still have to do a "build up" though.
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Old 2007.01.29, 02:12 PM   #36
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well, we then run into the disparity between teams based on available parts. i would prefer to keep the playing feild as level as possible. thus i would suggest doing this from the ground up with parts kits vs. using anyones personal stash. it also removes any hesitation about the thought of breaking someone elses parts. it makes this whole event a question of team choice in the use of the kit parts and team driving skills/strategy. everyone will work with the same parts kits options.

what i can do is put up a poll for the chassis type and let majority rule pick that and go with a random body picked by me bsaed on the chassis type picked. i would also provide each team with all the parts needed to build one car for each team from the ground up.

afterward the cars could be used for track loaners only, becoming community property in a sense thus eliminating and potential fuss about who gets what and disperse prizes for top 3 finishes. do not concern yourself with the cost of the cars. i'll work that out myself.

if this pans out, it would be nice to get a nominal entry fee to cover the costs of the prizes though. considering it will be a team event, this should keep the fee's small. it will hopefully draw maybe some of the ny/pa guys which would in turn bring more to the pot. we could set a req'd 3 person team for 2 hour driving which means each driver does (2) 20 minute stints atleast 40 minutes apart.

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Old 2007.01.29, 02:38 PM   #37
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I have to say that I like having certain parts on a car but the more I think about this, I think it's a really good idea.

EDIT: Since you are fronting the race kits I would have no problem defaulting to you on your choice of chassis. I'll push an MR01 or even an iSeries around the track for two hours. If you insist on a poll I would like to request a "Dealer's Choice" option.

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Old 2007.01.29, 02:52 PM   #38
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i want to avoid a situation where say i pick a short wheelbase car and everyone groans as they will then have to build and race a car they have no interest in using.
i will stick to the racing basics and the usual supects as options.
due to parts needed, the awd will be summarily ruled out. this leaves 015 and 02 as a chassis option. it would take 6 months or more to get the needed parts for 01's so that is also elimintated. due to these ending up as loaners, i suggest we stick with 02's.

the event then becomes more of a true test of the teams driving skills and setup skills vs. how deep their pockets are and what parts each team has to build from.

thanks to kenontap for the scratch build idea

i'd certainly like to see more interest expressed from all the dc drivers before we commit to this. perhaps i should put up a poll to see how many will commit? if it's less than 8/9 than we will have to go back to earlier ideas. 8-9 would mean 3 to 4 teams/cars. anything less is not worth all this effort for a build-off lemans race.

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Old 2007.01.29, 05:40 PM   #39
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I'm in no matter what. The kicker for me is not knowing what body it will be.
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Old 2007.01.29, 07:33 PM   #40
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I'm definetly in. I love all the ideas that everyone has come up with so far. I have to admit I wasn't big on the idea but now I'm pump up about it. We should get teams set up as soon as possible to get this going. This is AWESOME!!!
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Old 2007.01.29, 11:03 PM   #41
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Yeah, count me in. This race would probably be damn interesting if we were just handed box-stock racers (including spare parts normally found in a readyset) and a set or two of 20 degree Kyosho slicks. Excellent ideas here, guys!

How long do we have to wait to do this?
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Old 2007.01.29, 11:34 PM   #42
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Ok... don't know how I've been missing this thread.

I'm guessing that this event is going to be held on an HFAY layout... or is this a different larger layout ? (sorry... didn't catch it back there)

I'm also guessing that this is going to use the HFAY tech regulations for Season 3... or is this going to be a single fet "open" type race ? Stock motors, or otherwise... fine with me either way.

As far as a pit lane goes... pitting for our last endurance was pretty much pit where you're standing. It didn't seem to create any kind of issues with visibility, and with everyone spread out in their different spots seemed to help with access to their gear.

I pitted twice in the hour with the 3004 fets and an Xspeed... I don't think you should need more than 2 pits per hour, sure the punch goes away... but pit time eats at least 2-3 laps (on a 10 second layout anyways) so it pays to wring the cells out a bit more than usual. I had 3 sets charged, sitting right beside me, and sections of body tape ready to go.

I also allowed my crew to exchange cars in the event of a catastrophic failure.

Is there going to be limits as to how many can be on the track at once ? How is the Team concept working again, how many drivers are you thinking to a team... is that what you're talking about here ?

Should I go back and actually read the previous posts ?

We're always up for anything here, I'm sure we'll be in it.

(added... yep, I did miss alot, sorry for any confusion I usually create)

Also, if you're gonna have a standard body (if I was reading that right), I say to go with the Enzo... majority of my guys have one of them.

If you wanna get really crazy... have an evolution relay, first guy runs an 01, second runs an 015, next an 02... and end it with an AWD. 4 guys to a team, all different types of tuning. (ok... that does sound stupid now that I typed it out)
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Old 2007.01.30, 01:02 PM   #43
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Ok... don't know how I've been missing this thread.

I'm guessing that this event is going to be held on an HFAY layout... or is this a different larger layout ? (sorry... didn't catch it back there)

I'm also guessing that this is going to use the HFAY tech regulations for Season 3... or is this going to be a single fet "open" type race ? Stock motors, or otherwise... fine with me either way.
no, this will be large le mans stlye track. either as big as i can fit in my basement and or looking into alternate location for just this event. read the build-off portion discussed so far on car rules.

As far as a pit lane goes... pitting for our last endurance was pretty much pit where you're standing. It didn't seem to create any kind of issues with visibility, and with everyone spread out in their different spots seemed to help with access to their gear.
i would prefer to have a designated area for your pit team to do whatever work is needed. eliminates tha chances of having your car hit while parked of dropping something on the track into traffic.

I pitted twice in the hour with the 3004 fets and an Xspeed... I don't think you should need more than 2 pits per hour, sure the punch goes away... but pit time eats at least 2-3 laps (on a 10 second layout anyways) so it pays to wring the cells out a bit more than usual. I had 3 sets charged, sitting right beside me, and sections of body tape ready to go.

I also allowed my crew to exchange cars in the event of a catastrophic failure.
we will have to have provisions for catastophic failure, we will have to figure that out. any non catasrophic faillures will have to be fixed inorder to continue. by catastophic i think of fets being burnt or front suspension arm breaks off. nothing else can't be fixed in minutes.

Is there going to be limits as to how many can be on the track at once ? How is the Team concept working again, how many drivers are you thinking to a team... is that what you're talking about here ?
no, true race stlye, as many cars as there is. each team will be req. to be 2 to 4 depending on total number of teams that rsvp. i expect them to be 3 though.

Should I go back and actually read the previous posts ?
yep

We're always up for anything here, I'm sure we'll be in it.

(added... yep, I did miss alot, sorry for any confusion I usually create)

Also, if you're gonna have a standard body (if I was reading that right), I say to go with the Enzo... majority of my guys have one of them.
the bodies will be hand out, like the cars so what everone else has no relevance. i'd prefer not to use an enzo simply for that reason as well, everyone has one. it will be my choice and will not be revealed until the buil-off begins

If you wanna get really crazy... have an evolution relay, first guy runs an 01, second runs an 015, next an 02... and end it with an AWD. 4 guys to a team, all different types of tuning. (ok... that does sound stupid now that I typed it out)
not possible. please read on the build-off aspect of the race.
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Old 2007.01.30, 01:48 PM   #44
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If you'd like some reference, you can read the legalese in our Sporting Regulations over in the Phoenix subforum http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23900
That's a pretty good set of regulations. Maybe we should consider adopting a subset of the rules for our race.
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after discussing costs, would starting from a chassis set be as fun as building from parts kits? i may be able to get a better price on chassis kits vs. all the parts kits required.
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