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Old 2018.09.17, 12:07 PM   #16
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Looks like Kyosho Corp (not Kyosho America) has info up in English for the new Evo. Just set language to English and look under new products for December.

Looks like the Evo will come in either 98mm or 94mm/MM2 , and will need to purchase the receiver of preference separately. Also the ESC will be able to change between brushed and brushless via ICS settings. Initial receivers will be either fhss for RWD & FWD, AFS/MHS, or Futaba. While Sanwa will be available soon. Shows a photo of the receiver connection into the ESC. It's not a plug, more of a micro port. Looks proprietary, and very small. Brushless motors are a new 1piece design, so no more round can + aluminum sleeve.

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http://rc.kyosho.com/en/newitem/2018-12.html

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Old 2018.09.17, 12:36 PM   #17
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You can see the port here. How does this proprietary port for open source receiver work in other scales? Is it a format that is widely accepted? Hate to see Mini-z finally get to this point only to have other systems not want to make a proprietary module for the Mini-Z.

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By purchasing and installing an optional receiver unit depending on applied transmitter, it allows for Kyosho (KT-18/EX-6/EX-6R/KT-531P/KT-432PT), KO Propo (EX-2/EX-RR) and Futaba (T7PX/T7XC) transmitters. It will be also applied with Sanwa transmitter in future.
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Receiver options aside, what has my interest is the ability to change from brushed to brushless! I'm keen to see how this is handled via hardware.
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Unlike previous chassis sets, you can change to the brushed motor mode though the I.C.S manager to install an optional brushed motor.
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Old 2018.09.17, 10:19 PM   #19
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A bit surprised that kyosho didn't color code the antenna... both receivers are red...
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Old 2018.09.18, 12:07 AM   #20
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They could be color coded, where red is not one of their proprietary bands?
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Old 2018.09.18, 01:38 AM   #21
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I think kyosho used the red antenna for ve pro...
Other colors were black, blue (I believe for the sport series) and white (I think for the recent fwd and rwd using the new controller)

Guess it would definitely help to have antennas / antennae color
coded to simply things.
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I think they also noted the photo was of one receiver as a stock image.

Red=MHS
black=ASF
Blue=FHS
white=FHSS

I hope they stick with color coding. Be consistent with that at least Kyosho.
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Old 2018.09.21, 11:07 AM   #23
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I was reading the thread about the GL Audi body, and started looking a little more at the GL RWD car. I noticed it comes RTR except for radio and receiver. Now that Kyosho has separated the receiver from the ESC and steering functions, does it seem feasible that the new Kyosho receiver boards will work with the GL?
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Old 2018.09.21, 12:06 PM   #24
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Unless confirmed or expressly stated, I would assume not compatible. Kyosho received/board combo looks to use a proprietary port as well to connect the two vs. a standard plug.
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Just a little update. Kyosho America has pre-orders up for the Evo. Looks like either chassis option without RX is $190, and the RX is $65.

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/MR-03_c_42.html
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http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/Option-Parts_c_1657.html

I see that they do not list Sanwa compatibility in the description. I remember seeing it listed in the press release earlier this year.

Pricing is a little steep in my opinion. Especially on the receiver end. (I know that we have been spoiled by black market RX's). If I can use an existing RX and hard wire it to the ESC, then it might be worth it. I wouldnt get an Evo to use my Helios with, and have no intentions of getting a Kysoho transmitter when I already have a Sanwa.

I also would love to use the ESC/Servo controller for some other projects, but would need to see what pricing looks like on that. The ability to use brushed and brushless is a nice touch. But, I also wouldnt want to be the guinea pig to see if it can run on LiPo.

I would have liked to seen Kyosho really step up the game with their motors. The brushless motors look to be the same offerings that they have had (in a new case), which dont offer the best performance or feel compared to the current standard in the scale. I would have liked to see them focus on sensored technology, since it really helps give you a better feel of the throttle and the car.

I know that this is asking a bit much, but I feel that their asking price is greater than what they are offering at this point. Right now, I am less interested in the Evo, and really only interested in the ESC if it can be wired to any RX.

The other concern that I have with the Evo, is will its introduction alter stock class rules due to the included ball differential?
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Cost: entirely agree. They have once again pushed consumers into a proprietary format that carries a premium in exchange for wider variety of compatibility (for those manufacturers willing to comply with format). I’ts a step in the right direction but steps in a manner that equally frustrates us.
Given the design of the receiver, it appears to be a very specialized port that wouldn’t accommodate easily hardwiring a bypass and I would argue, done for that reason as well. This is the whole ‘Apple’ closed platform approach in which you offer options but they are very limited to those only meeting their specific criteria/format making them both expensive and otherwise more limited than would be if truly open source or common adapter.

For the latter stock class question, I would say no. Until Kyosho ceases to offer a ready set with a stock diff, this can be classified as an upgraded chassis offering like the countless others with ball diffs. What Kyosho does with their rules I guess is undetermined but in my opinion, it’s fairly straight forward as an upgraded Shaw’s is offering, not a new benchmark for stock as there are plenty of other ‘stock’ kits that continue to utilize the stock differential.

The only reason i’m Interested at all is I like the opportunity to switch between brushed and brushless at my choosing. I prefer brushed but it’s nice to have the easy option to change if desired for a particular race, track, etc.
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I'm new to this EVO stuff, so I may be asking a bad question, but.... I'm assuming this is not designed as entry level, correct?

As a relative newcomer (with limited experience back in the AM days) I'm focused on getting new people into mini-Zs and I'm not seeing this as accomplishing that.

Also, can someone share the advantages of brushless? I mean, I get that the motors are a better quality than brushed, but at 4 times the cost.... At this point I'm encouraging our group to stay all brushed to keep costs down and make it easier for people to enter the hobby. Am I missing something?
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I'm new to this EVO stuff, so I may be asking a bad question, but.... I'm assuming this is not designed as entry level, correct?

As a relative newcomer (with limited experience back in the AM days) I'm focused on getting new people into mini-Zs and I'm not seeing this as accomplishing that.
I think the idea was that someone from 1/10 scale with a fancy radio might be able to pick up an EVO and put a compatible RX in it. I think it's a move to poach new customers from existing R/C people rather than bring new people into R/C. So, correct.

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Also, can someone share the advantages of brushless? I mean, I get that the motors are a better quality than brushed, but at 4 times the cost.... At this point I'm encouraging our group to stay all brushed to keep costs down and make it easier for people to enter the hobby. Am I missing something?
You get more usable power with less heat and battery drainage. If you like cars that coast or have very low drag brake, brushless will do that. You can get mod class performance with stock FETS. That said, I could make a similar list in favor of brushed motors, and I don't think there's anything wrong with encouraging people to stick to brushed. Unless you have a mod class, then you might as well let people do what they want. Honestly, unless someone is a spectacular driver or you're on a really large, open track, most people are going to turn similar lap times in a HFAY spec. I find the brushless motor harder to drive but maybe more rewarding when I get it right, because I'm not a brake user, I'm a throttle lifter.
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Correct, first mini-z is starter to RC, sports or now FWD, RWD fhss are entry level mini-z. EVO is marketed towards the exeperienced whom are likely to have a preferred radio of choice.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate the perspectives.

Yes, we are too new for a mod class, but I do see that coming in the future. There the "fancies" make sense. But I'm trying to keep them out of stock so it's not intimidating and driving new folks away.
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