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Old 2009.08.21, 05:43 AM   #1
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What about the kyosho IC tag system?

Hello!

At our club we get the kyosho IC tag system for both dnano and now our Z.
Is there any plan to make a version of the flip side software that can use the kyosho system? We tried it already but the lap counter isn't compatible with the flip side software.

The original software from kyosho is rather poor and so a good one would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 2009.08.21, 10:38 AM   #2
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Are you saying that you actually are using the "core" based Kyosho timing system? or just the tags?

I believe the tags will work fine with the flipside software (not confirmed) but I don't think Jeremy has had access to the Kyosho hardware to do any testing.

Maybe you can donate yours to him for some testing so he could work on the compatibility.
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Old 2009.08.21, 12:20 PM   #3
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flipside has requested help in sniffing the new kyosho system in order to make their software compatible. i guess no one has stepped up to the plate yet.

the existing core tags do work with the new kyosho system, just fyi.
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Old 2009.08.22, 10:55 AM   #4
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I just bought one of these. It has not arrived yet. Hopefully after I get it working I can sell it here for close to the cost as I only picked it up to make my software work......

Arch2b, you are correct I have only had 1 person that helped a little but dropped out mid way through. It will be much easier for me if I just have the hardware for a while which is why I just went ahead and bought this unit.

Now I just need to get my hands on a DNano or DNano tag at least to make sure it will work whatever tag Kyosho is using.

I will know more after my Kyosho lap counter shows up.
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Old 2009.08.22, 01:14 PM   #5
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let me know when your ready to sell the unit. the ics transponders can be bought seperatly either with the dnano chassis part kit or the mini-z tag part kit.
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Old 2009.08.23, 01:56 PM   #6
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Hello!

We're using the kyosho IC tag system. Not the core one.

A guy at the club has get some other RFID chip that can be found by the kyosho system (the green light is flashing) so we can even imagine to use the kyosho reader to use other chips.

For the Dnano tags, you can now find the MR02/AWD model which will be easier than a full dnano chassis.

I hope you will receive you IC tag system soon and manage to make a good program for this system as the original is really too short I think...
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Old 2009.08.23, 10:13 PM   #7
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Anyone know where I can buy the Kyosho tags? I looked around some and did not find them at any of the regular spots I order from.
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Old 2009.08.24, 02:19 AM   #8
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Got it from my LHS.

I know a least one store that have this item but it's a european one so I don't think it's a good deal if you only need this. :s
I would say check on ebay to find it if the shops you know can't have it...
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Old 2009.08.24, 12:08 PM   #9
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Anyone know where I can buy the Kyosho tags? I looked around some and did not find them at any of the regular spots I order from.
nanotrax sells them but it's overseas. they should get here soon as it's been about a month i guess since they were available in jpn and we are usually a month or two behind. there is one for racer and one for f1.
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Old 2009.08.25, 02:06 AM   #10
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I'm suprised it isn't available yet in the US.

If you prefer, we can manage something for me to send you one tag that i'll buy for you. But as I'm in Europe, I expect shipping cost to be a pain.
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Unfortunately I have no local hobby shop. That is part of why I got into Mini-z's, I bought some RCP track so we could have somewhere local to race.

Thanks for the pointer Arch2b. Too bad it would be over 50$ total just to get a tag. Hopeful
ly more of the DNano stuff will show up in the US soon.

Thanks for the offer Pierro, shipping would definately be costly. For now I will watch ebay, maybe something will pop up. Though one thing that could be usefull is if someone could tell me the UID/serial number of one of the tags. That would at least tell me what brand they are using.
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the serial number on the dnano tags is: E00401001CE3BD06 831
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the serial number on the dnano tags is: E00401001CE3BD06 831
Thanks, that means the tags are based on a Philips (NXP) chip so it may be the MiFare RFID tags. I will be able to figure out a little more after I get the lap counter. Hopefully when I get back home this weekend it will be waiting for me but I think it took a sail boat for shipping.
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any updates having seen and used the kyosho system?
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any updates having seen and used the kyosho system?
I do have the unit now but not any success getting it to communicate yet. I think I may need to get a Kyosho tag to help me out, though I will work a little while longer before resorting to that.

From what I have seen so far I am guessing that the existing Core and generic tags we have used will not be able to be used at the same time as the Kyosho tags. The Kyosho reader is using a Melexis MLX90121 rfid chip which while it is 13.56Mhz like the existing Core reader it is capable of both ISO15693 and ISO14443 communication. Based on the UID number you gave me before I think the Kyosho tags are using ISO14443 while the Core tags were ISO15693. Even if the reader works at ISO15693 it will be an either/or mode not simultaneous. That is assuming they even included the protocol in the reader, which they may not have.

The Kyosho reader is using an Atmel microcontroller, which Melexis provides example code for that works with both ISO14443 and ISO15693 so it is possible that I can get it working with the Core tags. This is just turning out to be a bit more work that I had hoped for.
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