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Old 2011.01.18, 09:03 PM   #31
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Well, arch, if Tiny RC has a better way to host this, would you guys be willing to do this? It could become the Tiny RC/ Reflex Racing Club series...

Just sayin'... The more sponsors and parties involved, the better and more successful this club series would be.
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Old 2011.01.18, 09:12 PM   #32
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not trying to say we are the way, just one of many it's all about using available tools effectively. i'll talk to david about getting the blog feature up if there is demand for it. it's certainly an option.

either way, i will be participating
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Old 2011.01.18, 09:46 PM   #33
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I agree with the idea of a centralized blog/page/whatever if the series have results in common as the HFAY Series, where anybody can compare himself with anybody else in the world. It's a fantastic idea. It's just natural to go look someone else's results just for the sake of the Series' Spirit.

But Chris's idea is a little bit different I think. It's more of "let's have various club share the same rules" kind iof thing. With certain variations on the theme, logically, but with a basic set of rules that may come accross clubs.

That way if you go to different clubs you can still have a somewhat "compatible" car to race with.

I go for a centralized spot (blog/forum/site) where news from all over integrate and spread, and where you can find a "directory" of clubs that hosts these series. But also for each club to have a very own page where local results and news are made public.

This can be accomplished with what Archie says, about creating a blog for each club where they must post their results. But all whithin the scope/reach/virtual space of a single centralized site.

Correct me if I'm wrong Christian, but that's what I felt about your idea.

The Central space is done already and it's http://reflexracingclubseries.blogspot.com/

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Old 2011.01.18, 11:37 PM   #34
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Leonen, you are right on!
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Old 2011.01.19, 07:23 AM   #35
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i like this idea, but to me there is no need to compare time between clubs as no one will be running the same layout. unless i missed something. i find it more of a way to try and get clubs on the same page with rules, and classes this way as leonen stated i can go to any club race and be familiar with race rules. i also feel for reflex to step up and offer the prizes and discounts is awsome. the only downside i see is most tracks have a few guys that typically win and this would never allow the lower finishers to take part in the rewards. not sure what could be down about this though.
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Old 2011.01.19, 08:10 AM   #36
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I just read today about a Series where everybody races 70t motors and podium finishers, must use 80t in the next race.

It's an interesting concept, but is there so much difference between these two motors, that their usage may translate into handicap?

Anyway, I think only PN has 80t motors, so that would be a branded series so far. Also drivers are forced to buy two different motors.

Handicaps are interesting in a way to try to level stuff, but must be carefully think'd of.

Last of all, faster drivers will always win, no mater the motor, or any other handicaps.
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Old 2011.01.19, 08:27 AM   #37
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Last of all, faster drivers will always win, no mater the motor, or any other handicaps.
You are absolutely right on this one. Plus: sometimes you cannot even compare two 70T motors from the same manufacturer as there seems to be some kind of tolerance. So you will never have it all equalized and therefore we should not bother about handicaps other than maybe with the tiki-tiki / chase mode in fun races.
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Old 2011.01.19, 08:52 AM   #38
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I just read today about a Series where everybody races 70t motors and podium finishers, must use 80t in the next race.

It's an interesting concept, but is there so much difference between these two motors, that their usage may translate into handicap?
this is the series my club is running now. yes you do have to buy another motor but its only 10 bucks and its not like its a one time use. aqs far as speed there is a big difference in the 70 and 80 turn. im not proposing we do this arrangement but i feel something should be done to keep the new guys interested, and i feel the store discount is doing that to a point.

im realy interested to see how this series turns out.
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Old 2011.01.19, 09:20 AM   #39
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The approach for my shop will be to award the top 3 a breakout of the $50 from Reflex as follows: 1st place - $25, 2nd place $15 and 3rd place $10.

I'm thinking of an added bonus where I will award the bottom 3 something called "Racebucks". "Racebucks" can be used toward race fees. So, last place- $25, 2nd last- $15, 3rd last- $10. That way, there is motivation and acknowledgement for slower people.

Thanks to CT for input into those ideas!
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Old 2011.01.19, 10:19 AM   #40
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This series will never see an 80 turn run together with a 70 turn motor. This is not something that promotes the 70 turn class, which is our intention. While people are having success with this concept, it is too complex to enforce series wide. Where is the cut-off? What if you are a fringe guy? While at some clubs it may work flawlessly, I can see this causing a lot of dissent at others. So again, I don't want to touch this arrangement with a 10 ft pole... :P This is not even up for discussion.

I understand if the same people may win constantly. These people also typically put more effort and time into the hobby. This is not Fun Fair Positive Soccer, where everyone gets a trophy and nobody loses. This is a competition, if you want the prize, put the time in, work hard and get faster!For those that are not capable of winning, there is a discount at the store, which they can also take advantage of.

We worked out diffferent prize packages for MC3 and Action RC. Remember, we are just putting the foot forward and providing some prizes for people, clubs are free and encouraged to give out prizes to their other series winners if they deem necessary. One suggestion I gave Action was to thow an extra dollar or two to each entry fee to go towards a prize pot. At the end of the series, we can provide prizes at dealer cost for you guys which you can by with the money raised. You can make a raffle at the series finale and the winners would not be eligible.
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Also, to encourage slower guys, you can run a second class within the same race... (kind of GT1 and GT2, but obviously all with the same cars).

Perhaps... most constant, best rookie.

Leveling is not intended to make slow guys win, but to make things more interesting in the track.
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Old 2011.01.19, 03:21 PM   #42
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Also, to encourage slower guys, you can run a second class within the same race... (kind of GT1 and GT2, but obviously all with the same cars).

Perhaps... most constant, best rookie.

Leveling is not intended to make slow guys win, but to make things more interesting in the track.
Some/Many tracks already do this, actually. Whenever I go to Inside Line the turnouts are always so large, Binh splits the drivers off into Novice/Sportsman/Expert. I don't see this practice changing even if the Reflex rules get implemented -- if anything has to change, the slowest Expert driver can bump down to Sportsman class next race, and the fastest Sportsman driver must bump up to Expert (similarly, Novice --> Sportsman and Sportsman --> Novice).
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Leveling the field is exactly what the tiki-tiki system is designed for. Let's see clubs take advantage of this feature if the desire is truely to level the field or handicap. it's certainly a much better option than bringing in multiple motors. I can't see how that would work well or not cause significant dissention.
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Old 2011.01.21, 10:51 AM   #44
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High Speed Hobbies in Charlotte is in. We will contact you CT to get our first series organized soon.
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Second Club Confirmed!

High Speed Hobbies, in NC has officially joined the network! Thanks for your support guys!!! Welcome aboard!
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