2010.02.26, 01:44 PM
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Thanks for the clarification, that makes much more sense to me.
Amusingly enough the countdown in the software has the graphic at the top that is a series of lights that apparently operates that way and I never knew why. They were either provided by you, brian, or by dusty weasle, I forget who at this point.
Since there would be no countdown it probably would be good to have a series of beeps.
And the software can control a series of lights using the DLP-IOR4 relay board but that board is limited to just 4 lights.
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2010.02.26, 05:00 PM
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those graphics were done by Keving (DW). In our cases we are never looking at the screen, we go by the countdown and sound, so in this case there really wouldn't need to be any graphical represention, just the audio.
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2010.03.13, 09:10 PM
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I have a question and hope someone has a answer already available.
We are finding that when two cars go over the core loop at the same or very close to the same time that one of the cars does not count that lap and will show a long lap time the next time across. Anyone have any ideas for us to try? Thanks MK
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2010.03.13, 11:09 PM
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mike, there are specific bug reports for specific versions. it would be best if you posted what version you were running so that helps diagnose the problem or make it clear that it's an issue that has already been addressed with one of the subsequent updates.
also, this was not happening with all cars in the race, only a small few.
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2010.03.14, 01:49 PM
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at our last race we did have a maybe 2 cars that were missed, but they were only miss on the first lap, then counted fine the remainder of the race.
this was running ver. .43.
I'm going to run a defrag on my computer and see if it was just my laptop, I'll know more after this next race.
Note: Russ also noted that it would be great if there was a way to call out not only the lead changed but also when other postitions are taken. Say you move from Forth to 3rd. it could say " Russ Takes 3rd. Postition" that way a driver could know if he is gaining on the racers in front of him. What do you think?
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2010.03.14, 05:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Keely
I have a question and hope someone has a answer already available.
We are finding that when two cars go over the core loop at the same or very close to the same time that one of the cars does not count that lap and will show a long lap time the next time across. Anyone have any ideas for us to try? Thanks MK
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The first thing to try is make sure you are running the latest version. I have done some work to improve the speed of the program with more recent version. Missed laps with the Core hardware is either the car not picked up by the loop or the program slowing down. In your case where it is a car following another car getting missed it is most likely the program is not running fast enough for some reason. You might watch the task manager while running a test race to see if something else is using a lot of CPU while the race is running. The most common culprit is virus scanners but other things can chew up a lot of CPU.
Also if this sort of thing is only happening while on the graph screen you might try not using the live graphs. The graphs do take up more CPU time than the race screen and with the newer versions of the software the graphs are not updated if you are not on that screen.
If it was limited to specific cars but only when they are following a car then I am a bit stumped. It could just be a coincidence as off hand I can not come up with a reason it would impact specific cars.
What speed of computer do you have and what OS are you running?
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2010.03.14, 05:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by briankstan
at our last race we did have a maybe 2 cars that were missed, but they were only miss on the first lap, then counted fine the remainder of the race.
this was running ver. .43.
I'm going to run a defrag on my computer and see if it was just my laptop, I'll know more after this next race.
Note: Russ also noted that it would be great if there was a way to call out not only the lead changed but also when other postitions are taken. Say you move from Forth to 3rd. it could say " Russ Takes 3rd. Postition" that way a driver could know if he is gaining on the racers in front of him. What do you think?
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Not sure that defraging will make much of a difference. While running a race CPU is the thing that matters the most. Make sure to close any unneeded programs while running a race. RAM is also important but the program does not take a huge amount of RAM. Hard drive activity during a race is pretty minimal, I have tried to remove most disk related tasks during a race and only execute them after the race is completed.
I will have to review the code again and see if there is anywhere I can get more performance out of it but I think I have already optimizing the critical sections and at this point performance gains will be pretty minimal.
In regards to announcing other position changes it is certainly possible and I will look into it. I may make it a configuration option unless everyone would rather it work that way instead of just announcing lead changes.
If I do this though I doubt it will make it into the next version, I have done a lot of changes and am working to finish the current changes and release a test build.
What are other peoples thoughts on that?
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2010.03.15, 08:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pinwc4
Not sure that defraging will make much of a difference. While running a race CPU is the thing that matters the most. Make sure to close any unneeded programs while running a race. RAM is also important but the program does not take a huge amount of RAM. Hard drive activity during a race is pretty minimal, I have tried to remove most disk related tasks during a race and only execute them after the race is completed.
I will have to review the code again and see if there is anywhere I can get more performance out of it but I think I have already optimizing the critical sections and at this point performance gains will be pretty minimal.
In regards to announcing other position changes it is certainly possible and I will look into it. I may make it a configuration option unless everyone would rather it work that way instead of just announcing lead changes.
If I do this though I doubt it will make it into the next version, I have done a lot of changes and am working to finish the current changes and release a test build.
What are other peoples thoughts on that?
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I got the computer from Arch so he might know that answer. I don't think that it is that old. It is using XP. Where would I find what version it is? Arch might have that info also. It is what ever version he installed on the computer when he brought it to us.
We where running a 4 hour enduro, would that make any differance on the ram? We ran 1400 laps.
Last edited by Mike Keely; 2010.03.15 at 08:50 PM.
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2010.03.15, 08:55 PM
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right click on my computer and click properties. that will provide the info you need.
i would suggest downloading the latest version of flipside to a thumb drive and install it. that version has to be in the upper 20's to mid 30's and were currently in the 40's.
the software worked fine at their home track location.
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2010.03.15, 10:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Keely
I got the computer from Arch so he might know that answer. I don't think that it is that old. It is using XP. Where would I find what version it is? Arch might have that info also. It is what ever version he installed on the computer when he brought it to us.
We where running a 4 hour enduro, would that make any differance on the ram? We ran 1400 laps.
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If you were running a pretty old version for an enduro then I probably know the problem you ran into. Within the last few releases I changed the graphing to only occur if you were on the graph screen, older versions were updating the graphs even if you were not looking at them. With an Enduro on the old versions of the software the graphing would take longer and longer to process as the race continued on and could cause the program to miss communicating with the Core hardware.
If you are running a version less than 0.38 then most likely that is the problem you ran into. In version 0.38 and above the graphs only process if you are on the statistics screen.
To see what version of the program you are running just look in the bottom left hand corner of the main screen. This is the screen that first appears when you launch the program or you can click the main button at the top to get to it.
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2010.03.16, 06:44 PM
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Just to clarify that we like the program and I didn't want this to come out like a complaint. Thanks for your help and all your hard work. MK
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2010.03.16, 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Keely
Just to clarify that we like the program and I didn't want this to come out like a complaint. Thanks for your help and all your hard work. MK
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Thanks, I understood completely. I always tell people I need feedback, both the good and the bad. I need to know what works well and what does not so I know where to put my effort.
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2010.03.16, 07:32 PM
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I just downloaded the new version. For some reason it comes up with a runtime error on the green circle icon when I try to go to the program.
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2010.03.16, 08:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Keely
I just downloaded the new version. For some reason it comes up with a runtime error on the green circle icon when I try to go to the program.
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Did the error message say anything else?
Did you download the software and just run it directly without trying to copy anything from your old version? If you tried to "upgrade" the old version you must minimally copy the exe and the fsRaceWin libs directory.
For upgrades I usually recommend copying the flipsidedb and preferences.xml file from the old version to the new version (and anything else that may have been manually customized such as the theme directory) because other program files have changed, especially if you have a really old version.
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2010.03.16, 08:28 PM
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I deleted the old one and then downloaded the new one. It all works fine but I copied the green circle and put it on my desktop before but now it gives me this
Runtime error
Common\Plugin .ccp:7280
Failure Condition : pluginentrytable.getentry (Entrypoint name,out)
can't find plugin method BevelButton .Deleteallrows
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