2014.02.23, 09:12 PM
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MR03 FHS Sport Radio Options...
Well, so far the only radio I know that works with the new Sport MR03 is the KT19 but I have been getting a lot of questions lately from interested parties as to what other radios the FHS may be compatible with... any ideas?
I'm really wondering why they just didn't go FHSS. When I search on FHS I find a ton of FHSS radios. I was even hopeful that the Futaba 3PL was compatible but even those are FHSS, not FHS. Did Kyosho incorporate a defunct protocol for dirt cheap, was that the motivation?
Once again, any help would be appreciated!
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2014.02.23, 10:39 PM
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It is easy for them to come up with a unique protocol, I wouldn't expect any other radio to be compatible.
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2014.02.24, 07:45 AM
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I really hope that's not the case. If Kyosho is planning to kill off the ASF cars I think it would be a sad ending to the story of the Mini-Z.
Hopefully someone figures something out. My club is finding it hard to guide new members as to which is the best direction to start. I'm trying to get some kind of handout together which will give a list of routes to go.
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2014.02.26, 01:40 AM
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Heard a rumor that dsm2 spectrum might work. I feel that unfortunately Ed this is the beginning of the end for mini z. But I also feel that this will the beginning of the 1/28 scale era. Since it seems that everyone is coming out with their own chassis lately, I think that radio equipment will eventually come down to user preference. I hope and pray that ASF doesn't disappear for good. I love my JR Z-1 and don't want to use KT-19 or 18. Don't want to use any other radio either. But the times are a changing and we "mini z racers" are just a small spec in the "wild and wonderful world of RC". You can't beat greed.
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2014.02.26, 08:41 AM
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The Z survived with most of us because of it's superiority to all of the other models... now they are going to downgrade to a "sport" model. Just doesn't make sense to kill off the ASF. If they do kill it off and I can't find a module in 2 or 3 years... I'll never buy a Kyosho product again. Wonder how that would go over with all of their racers back on their home turf?
I'll go race SC10s on the other side of the shop!
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2014.02.26, 10:05 AM
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I wouldn't worry too much about what Kyosho does. PN Racing now has a DSMR board for Spektrum. Before this was available, I've converted a number of cars to DSM for racers using Team Losi integrated esc/receivers. If you wish to use other radios most brands have micro receivers now which can be used with a number of micro brushed ESCs (Tekin has one that's amazingly lightweight)
It is not overly difficult to convert the servo to three wire configuration. To do this you will need a circuit board from a "normal" servo. Basically solder the potentiometer wires and the motor wires to this board and change the order of the potentiometer wires until proper operation is achieved.
My point with this post is to hopefully demonstrate that even if we get put into a situation by the supplier that some are not fond of, that we can do something about it. Mini-Z will not die as long as there are enthusiasts still keeping the genre alive
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2014.02.26, 11:22 AM
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there is no word or direction officially that they intend to kill off ASF. i've sent feelers to Kyosho USA that have not generated any response but i've not seen this yet appear on the usual blog sites. if there is any news of this please post links.
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2014.02.26, 03:18 PM
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To my understanding ASF will remain alive. The Mr-03 chassis set/brushless and continue to live in the F1 and AWD platform.
The ex5-ur will continue to be made available. I'd say the continued import of the high end mini-z only transmitter is a good sign.
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2014.02.26, 03:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arch2b
there is no word or direction officially that they intend to kill off ASF.
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I suspect not and certainly hope not , but I sure would like to know what Kyosho's intentions are with respect to ASF It would definitely influence my buying decisions. I just don't know if I'd go prepper and buy up all ASF boards and chassis and modules I could find or sell all my ASF components before they become obsolete
In my mind, Kyosho replacing ASF with HFS would be like Coke replacing Coca-Cola with New Coke, so I can't imagine it happening, but New Coke did happen, so I guess anything is possible. Would just like to know to plan accordingly!
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2014.02.26, 03:59 PM
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No direct link to Kyosho plans, but I did shake a Magic 8 Ball and it came up "all signs point to yes".
Hopefully someone from Kyosho gets on here and tells everybody what a jerk I am for inflating the terror alert from Yellow to Orange (for no apparent reason, something I've learned in the past that gets attention).
Still doesn't answer the FHS radio compatibility issue.
Bill, thanks. I may get someone to try to bind their DSM to an FHS the next raceday... I'll post what happens.
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2014.02.26, 04:09 PM
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Binding DSM to the Kyosho system is never going to happen. Kyosho switched to a cheaper system, no way they want to pay royalties to someone else.
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2014.02.26, 05:01 PM
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Has anybody tried to bind one of the FHS(s) radios that are out there just to see if it works?
Just for $h1ts and giggles do a Wikipedia search on DSM radio systems. It makes for some somewhat heavy but interesting reading. Especially when it comes to the number of different "types" or proto-calls that are out there and which radio works (or might) with what.
It didn't take long for someone to figure out how to make the ASF module work with the Futaba 3PK. I don't remember who it was but they might still be lurking.
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2014.02.26, 05:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mleemor60
Has anybody tried to bind one of the FHS(s) radios that are out there just to see if it works?
Just for $h1ts and giggles do a Wikipedia search on DSM radio systems. It makes for some somewhat heavy but interesting reading. Especially when it comes to the number of different "types" or proto-calls that are out there and which radio works (or might) with what.
It didn't take long for someone to figure out how to make the ASF module work with the Futaba 3PK. I don't remember who it was but they might still be lurking.
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Using an ASF module with the 3PK is a completely different animal compared to cross binding 2.4ghz systems. The modules worked because the older radios have industry standard(mostly anyway) PPM(Pulse Position Modulation). PPM is an analog form of transmitting servo position, very few new radios still use it as most are completely digital. The Futaba 4PK series happens to still have it because they still support DSC(Direct Servo Connect)
2.4ghz makes it way too easy to make systems that are not compatible. A company could develop a protocol and then sell it to 255 different companies with the smallest of changes made to each version and none would be compatible.
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2014.02.26, 05:43 PM
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A member has already sorted out a way to by pass the receiver on the new Atomic AWD car so that another type could be used. PN had someone figure out a 2.4DSM2 proto-call to replace the existing boards. Not sure why they went for DSM2 instead of the older system so that all it took was a module to keep a radio that everyone is familiar with. I suppose there is more profit in radios than modules especially if you can con the mob into drinking the Kool-Aid. Everything is a step forward. Even if it is on an oblique. It would just be nice to have something, a press release, anything to let us know the direction that Kyosho is headed.
As a "lefty" I for one will not be going to a different radio to stay in the game. I'm already on my last legs(age wise) so I will just keep pedaling the best I can with what I have as long as it lasts.
Last edited by mleemor60; 2014.02.26 at 05:47 PM.
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2014.02.26, 09:21 PM
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Guess that's my biggest beef with the new Sport models... Kyosho hasn't released an FHS module, or even an FHS compatible EX5 type radio.
C'mon Kyosho... Tell us your going to sell an FHS module that fits into my Helios! And please don't make a KIY FHS module... kinda defeats the whole Mini-Z on a budget theme.
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