2010.10.11, 08:44 PM
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PN RacingTEAM Driver
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.... dont most atomic tires contain some level of silicone?...i may be wrong on this.... i haven used an atomic tire since 2007
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2010.10.11, 11:11 PM
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EMUracing
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Grant, I know that some of the tires contain silicone, but beyond that, I dont know. Many of the softer tires have silicone content to increase grip for carpet, which is what they primarily race in the Asian market.
How is the average racer going to know what tires are legal and not legal? R246 Raceway should put a list of legal tires if they are going to make such a restriction. So racers that come to race can know what they can or cannot use. Its not like most racers can tell what tires have silicone or not... is there a way to test for silicone that wont damage the tire?
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2010.10.11, 11:39 PM
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Cosmicsoul
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Is that the same surface that they use on the Hobbytown DNANO tracks
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According to Kyosho VP Cliff Black it's indoor-outdoor carpet they bought from the Home Depot store just a couple blocks away from the track. It's like putting green carpet. I don't know anything about Hobbytown tracks.
yasuji
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.... dont most atomic tires contain some level of silicone?
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EMU
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How is the average racer going to know what tires are legal and not legal? R246 Raceway should put a list of legal tires if they are going to make such a restriction. So racers that come to race can know what they can or cannot use. Its not like most racers can tell what tires have silicone or not... is there a way to test for silicone that wont damage the tire?
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Searching online I found 2 Hong Kong RC vendors that mention "Silicium Rubber" for some of the Atomic tires. That's the only reference I could find for anything related to tire compounds for Mini-z. (Ok, it wasn't an exhaustive search...). At the track, so far, it's been like the honor system. Nobody's checking tires up to this point, but there's been no real racing either; just running setup laps. Even so, EMU's point is totally valid. Who's to know and how? I ran maybe a dozen laps with those Atomic tires I mentioned, so could that be the crud that ended up on my tag? I wouldn't think that amount of running could leave that much residue, but maybe so.
I installed the tag after running those laps, btw.
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2010.10.11, 11:48 PM
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EMUracing
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It might not be your crud that is on the tag... your ride height may be a little low for using the Kyosho tag, and it could be dragging on the track... picking up all of the rubber that has been laid out on the track. I dont know, just speculating
I know that the 10/20d ATM tires have silicone content... but dont know about the 30/40d. They may have some, but I cannot confirm as I do not know how to test for silicone content. It is my assumption that Atomic adjusts the softness by introducing more silicone to the compound displacing the natural rubber and making the tire more compliant with the racing surface (what you want on carpet). Again, this is my assumption, and not based on any fact. The Atomic 8d rear tires, are designed for RCP and are a non silicone rear tire, that I know. The 6d are a silicone carpet tire. Hope this info helps.
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2010.10.12, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by EMU
It might not be your crud that is on the tag... your ride height may be a little low for using the Kyosho tag, and it could be dragging on the track... picking up all of the rubber that has been laid out on the track. I dont know, just speculating
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You're probably right about that. So, the track's getting rubbered in and that's a good thing. But I am bummed that the Atomic tires are probably outlawed because they had great grip and felt so good. I have more tires to test, but I don't know what's in 'em.
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2010.10.12, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Treadmule
You're probably right about that. So, the track's getting rubbered in and that's a good thing. But I am bummed that the Atomic tires are probably outlawed because they had great grip and felt so good. I have more tires to test, but I don't know what's in 'em.
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i was the driver who did the apparent "greasing" of the track!
using pn carpet tires and kyosho mt tires.... both with high silicone content!
i was about .5 sec faster than the prev rubber tires 30/20 combo and way more consistent but after that sunday i was informed that i had ruined the track
.... so in my following visits to the track i ran only kyosho tires
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2010.10.12, 12:28 AM
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Funny! I thought it was Bruce with his Ozone foamies
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2010.10.12, 12:55 AM
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Funny! I thought it was Bruce with his Ozone foamies
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i told the guy @ the track that it was me and i apologized
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2010.10.12, 01:03 AM
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Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean it was funny that you did it, but that I had the wrong guy pegged.
What does the silicone do to the track? Make it slippery for rubber tires?
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2010.10.12, 01:16 AM
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Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean it was funny that you did it, but that I had the wrong guy pegged.
What does the silicone do to the track? Make it slippery for rubber tires?
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yeah i guess it does the same thing as a rubber tire...it leaves a groove... and rubber tires dont like it
after the incident happened i went back and i was able to go a little quicker than i did before using rubber tires... the track felt the same to me as the first time i had been there
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2010.10.12, 01:24 AM
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I wonder if that track gets any use other than the regular Sunday drivers and Saturday special events. Do you think Kyosho employees use it during the week or maybe special invited guests? Maybe other scales? It would seem a waste of potential to use it only 1 or 2 days a week.
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2010.10.12, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Treadmule
I wonder if that track gets any use other than the regular Sunday drivers and Saturday special events. Do you think Kyosho employees use it during the week or maybe special invited guests? Maybe other scales?
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im sure they do....
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2010.10.12, 03:13 AM
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EMUracing
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I would think that the silicone rubber would gum up the track more than standard rubber, which is why they dont want them used on the track. RCP is black, so you cant see the tire residue on the track as much...
I didnt know that the MT tire was silicone based... thanks for the info
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2010.10.12, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Treadmule
I wonder if that track gets any use other than the regular Sunday drivers and Saturday special events. Do you think Kyosho employees use it during the week or maybe special invited guests? Maybe other scales? It would seem a waste of potential to use it only 1 or 2 days a week.
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Yes, It does get used. I am not sure how much now. But when I worked there I made sure to have a Mini-Z track setup in that room. A few of the employees would have after hours races just for fun.
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2010.10.12, 12:50 PM
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MBMZR
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We raced on industrial carpet for almost a year. We used ATM and PN carpet tires and there was never any residue left over from them.
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