Mini-Z, Kyosho Mini-Z Racer, MR-03, MR-02, MA-010, Forums, News, Pictures, Parts, and Shop - Mini-ZRacer.com
Forums, Mini-Z, MiniZ, Kyosho Mini-Z, Kyosho MiniZ, Kyosho Mini-Z Racer
Mini-Z Hop-Ups, Mini-Z Parts, MiniZ Hop-Ups, MiniZ Parts, Kyosho Mini-Z Hop-Ups, Kyosho Mini-Z Parts, Kyosho MiniZ Hop-Ups, Kyosho MiniZ Parts, Kyosho Mini-Z Racer Hop-Ups, Racer Kyosho Mini-Z Parts
Old 2008.03.16, 05:09 PM   #1
philophob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 13
MR010 AWD that much better than MR02/015?

Hello all.
I am thinking about getting second Mini-Z car. (Mini-Z is so addictive! I can't help it, someone stop me!! )
I have been reading/researching the web/forums all day yesterday and today. Please excuse my noob-ness if I make stupid statements on this post and if I am wrong please correct me.

I think I should be getting 2.4Ghz ASF Mini-Z since it looks like Kyosho is pushing their Mini-Z line towards that way.
But I read mixed reviews on 2.4Ghz ASF Zs. Most of it is about how new Tx is not good and shutdown problem caused by Tx.
I guess not all ASF products are like that but still holding me back on the decision.

Anyways, I have RM015 and would like to try AWD for my 2nd Mini-Z.
From very limited researching/readings on my part, it sounds like AWD is much better than 2WD(MR02/MR015).
Also AWD has tons of parts for hop-ups.
In what aspects, AWD is so superior compared to 2WD(MR02/MR015)?
I have only driven RM015 so I wouldn't know a thing about AWD.
Also when drifting, I find it impossible to drift with 2WD unlike real cars. There is just no way to control the throttle and break precisely for drifting with 2WD Zs. I read somewhere that only AWD Zs can drift easily? Or am I missing entire drift with Mini-Z?
Can experienced AWD drivers give me some thoughts/recommendations/feedbacks on AWD Mini-Z?

I guess I need to get RTR 2.4Ghz ASF AWD Mini-Z when they become available. Or, get the AWD chasis and buy the conversion kit and Tx separately.
I read about Helio(?), AD band stuffs for not quite understood about them just yet.
If someone can lead me to AD band stuff info, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you very much for reading my long post.
Happy Z-ing!
philophob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2008.03.16, 06:29 PM   #2
byebye
Moderator
 
byebye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Stafford, Va
Posts: 6,064
I personally prefer 2wd over the 4wd car. The MR-02 out of the box will last longer and is easier to learn to drive than the awd out of the box. The ma-010 has a higher center of gravity and is heavier than the MR-02. You also need an extension kit to run 98mm cars.

The MA-010 is also takes more to setup than an MR-02. The MA-010's drive train also needs an upgrade once you start adding more power.

Kris
byebye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2008.03.16, 09:24 PM   #3
HammerZ
Master of Thrash
 
HammerZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 4,980
Send a message via MSN to HammerZ
I think the MR cars (the RWD racers) seem to handle better than the MA010 AWD will, out of the box anyway. The big limit is suspension travel, particularly the rear section. On the MA010 the rear knuckles are the same as the front parts. That stiffness, makes for a car that is unpredictable. The Atomic SAS suspension can solve that, but that isn't what comes out of the box.

The AWD MA010 is a good car if you don't mind dropping the money. There are alot of parts to drop that cash on here.

The racers only need upgrades if you are in a heated competition, but other than that these are fine out of the box.

Drifting is never easy, some videos can make it look easy. Compared to a 1/10 car the Mini Z size car is more of a handfull. With that said the AWD is a better choice for drifting than a racer. With a RWD you have to pay alot of attention to braking/throttle control, that is alot easier with a real car that you sit in than an RC car. With RC cars all you have is hand/eye to go by. Also the added problems of the car comming toward you, going left to right, right to left, and not just going away from you. With all that going on it makes it harder to judge the turn. Because of that AWD cars are more common as RC drifters than RWD cars are.
__________________
HammerZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2008.03.17, 01:07 AM   #4
Ninja
Mechanic
 
Ninja's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chatsworth, GA
Posts: 3,577
Send a message via MSN to Ninja Send a message via Yahoo to Ninja
Drifting the AWD is fun, but to drift it well is a task of its own. It is alot smaller than a 1/10 scale, and all the minor little tiny differences make a much bigger difference. but bashing around the track with drift tires on is a blast, regardless of setup.
__________________
Real Racers Do It Sideways.
PETA=People Eating Tastey Animals
those two chicks over there, not so hot. Dont get me wrong, I would still go for it, cause thats the type of equal opportunity guy I am.
I am a FIRM believer in "Run what ya brung"......Unless it's your MOUTH!!!
Ninja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2008.03.17, 01:33 AM   #5
ruf
4play
 
ruf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Reflex Racing, everywhere
Posts: 2,602
Based on our testing and competition, the AWD is faster around the track. It also requires a lot more setup, patience, and a different driving style. I personally don't find that the rear suspension travel makes the car unpredictable, but there are a lot of little details about the preparing the chassis that can definitely add up to a squirrelly car. Keep in mind that the MA-010 is relatively new and we've had a LOT of time to work the wrinkles out of the old MR-02 chassis.

If you want to drift, there is no other choice but AWD. No one does R/C drift without 4WD. The dynamics at this scale prevent 2WD from working like full scale. Once I FINALLY get that silly AWD setup sheet finished, I'll post it with Cristian's and pchan's race setups and a drift setup from our boys up at Inside Line Racing.
__________________
Joe Chen
www.reflexracing.net
Houston, TX
Mini-Z World Champions!
Reflex Racing Blog
Reflex Racing YouTube
ruf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2008.03.17, 03:50 AM   #6
Flashsp-2
motor guru
 
Flashsp-2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: In front of you...
Posts: 487
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruf View Post
Based on our testing and competition, the AWD is faster around the track. It also requires a lot more setup, patience, and a different driving style.
I agree with this as well. I have found that the two different surfaces where I run (low/medium-grip RCP and carpet) the AWD is the better car. Out of the box the mr02 may have the advantage, but I find as power increases the AWD is much better. I think people get the AWD, it doesn't immediately handle like thier dialed-in mr02, so they just set it aside. It's a great chassis, it just takes time to get it right. Plus I like to power out of corners, and the mr02 rear steers a bit too much for me, which is why I feel a bit more 'on edge' when driving the mr02.
__________________
Top Secret Motors - when you are ready to start owning the competition

Available at www.Maine-iac-motors-rc.com

Last edited by Flashsp-2; 2008.03.17 at 05:19 AM.
Flashsp-2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2008.03.19, 06:53 PM   #7
Tjay
Registered User
 
Tjay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,840
2wd... because you don't want training wheels... j/k .
Tjay is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FS: Mini-Z AWD w/ extras, NIP AWD Multi-offsets color01 Mini-Z Marketplace 6 2008.05.12 06:54 PM
Is MR015 PCB same as MR010 AWD? philophob Beginner Questions 6 2008.03.20 10:26 PM
Parts list for future AWD arch2b Washington DC Area GTG, MD/VA/DC 17 2006.12.27 11:27 PM
official kyosho awd product description herman Mini-Z AWD MA-010, MA-015 16 2005.09.30 09:18 PM
Kyosho Announces AWD Mini-Z! mini-z Mini-ZRacer.com Announcements 0 2005.08.25 12:24 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2011 Mini-ZRacer.com
Mini Inferno Sale - Up to $85 Instant Savings!
Micro-T Hop-Ups
RC18R, M18, Micro RS4, Mini-LST, TamTech-Gear, Minizilla, RC18T, RC18B, RC18MT
shop.tinyrc.com Products

more»
Tiny RC Community News
[03/22/17] MZR was on vacation, didn't... : All kidding aside, the host experienced a bit of a server meltdown last week and efforts to restore the site to a new server took longer than anticipated. The current server is temporary until - more»
[11/25/15] Did You Hear? Our Black... : Hey Racers,
We're getting started a bit early with our Black Friday sale this year.  Generally we're not supporters of retailers opening early on Thanksgiving, but in our case, we're - more»
[06/30/15] shop.tinyrc.com: Have You... : Hey All! Just a quick reminder to everyone that we post all of our shop.tinyrc.com Newletters here on the MZR Forum. If for some reason you miss them in your email inbox, you can always see the - more»
Mini-Z, Mini-Z Racer, MR-02, MA-010
M18, M18T, RC18T, Mini-LST, Mini-T, Micro RS4, XRay, 1/18, 18th scale
XMODS, XMOD, Micro Flight, ZipZaps, ZipZaps SE, Bit Char-G, MicroSizers, TTTT, Plantraco Desktop Rover, SuperSlicks, Digi Q
Mini Inferno, Mini Inferno ST, half EIGHT, 1/16, 16th scale
Epoch, Indoor Racer, 1/43, 43rd scale
E-Savage, eSavage, eZilla, e-Zilla, HPI
Robots, Bots, Bipeds, Wheeled, Manoi, Roomba, NXT, Lego, Hacking
Crawling, Crawlers, Micro, RC, Losi Mini-Rock Crawler, Duratrax Cliff Climber
Kyosho Minium, Caliber 120, Minium Forums
Mini-Z Hop-Ups, Mini-Z Parts, Mini Inferno Hop-Ups, Mini Inferno Parts, M18 Hop-Ups, M18 Parts