2006.12.04, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TruReaper(Chad)
the Atomic Stock motor will be legal right?
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If everyone wants to run Stock FET motors we could do that. Any motor that is safe to run with Stock FET's would be a Stock motor.
PN, Atomic, Kyosho X-Speed, etc.
What does everyone think?
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2006.12.04, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlRC
If I remember correctly, the Atomic Stock motor is more powerful than the Kyosho stock and will NOT be considered legal. I think that's the one I was trying out last year, and wound up going back to the Kyosho stock (for more drivability and consistent lap times. I believe what Shaun said is correct "Any other motor is not legal for STOCK class". Shaun, is that correct what I said about the Atomic Stock motor?
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Yes you are correct. These motors have Ball Bearings, NEO magnets and high performance brushes. It's not considered stock legal.
Having everyone run the same Kyosho Stock motor makes racing a lot more fun! With everyone running the same motor it comes down to driving skills.
Plus people that have a stock Mini-Z can put the car down on the track and be competitive right away without having to buy another motor just to keep up.
I personally would like to keep the stock class "STOCK" and run another OPEN class for people that want to run upgraded motors and electronics.
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2006.12.04, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun
Having everyone run the same Kyosho Stock motor makes racing a lot more fun! With everyone running the same motor it comes down to driving skills.
Plus people that have a stock Mini-Z can put the car down on the track and be competitive right away without having to buy another motor just to keep up.
I personally would like to keep the stock class "STOCK" and run another OPEN class for people that want to run upgraded motors and electronics.
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I agree. The idea here is to have a truly "STOCK" class, where as you said, "people that have a stock Mini-Z can put the car down on the track and be competitive right away without having to buy another motor just to keep up.". So, for stock class, we will make the motor rule as Shaun stated, "...the motor that comes in the Mini-Z Readysets. Any other motor is not legal for STOCK class.".
Moving on... the next question would be "what about upgraded FETs"? I'm thinking that the same logic applies here... however that being said, my FETs burned out and I put different FETs (non-stacked) into the car... I don't remember exactly where I got them... I think from minizracer.com. I understood that they were "better" than the stock ones... and I'm not sure I could even have gotten the original FETs to replace the burned out ones. I probably would have had to buy a new mini-z board. So... anybody have ideas on the FETs issue.
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2006.12.04, 02:44 PM
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Well i hate to say this but if we start the series this saturday count me out. I dont have a stock motor and i had a atomic stock and a pn fet stock motor coming. So if those are gonna be illegal i wont be in this race i will come but wont be racing. I could just run the races if patrick would like me too
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2006.12.04, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TruReaper(Chad)
Well i hate to say this but if we start the series this saturday count me out. I dont have a stock motor and i had a atomic stock and a pn fet stock motor coming. So if those are gonna be illegal i wont be in this race i will come but wont be racing. I could just run the races if patrick would like me too
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Dude... don't worry... I can loan you a Kyosho stock motor if you'd like. LMK.
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2006.12.04, 02:52 PM
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Hey Chad, I've got an extra stock motor you can use. Anyways, about the fets, I think we should follow the HFAY rules on fets. I think their new season is about to start and their gonna allow the use of 3010 fets on all chassis
Its either 3004(mr-02) fets or 3010(MA-010) fets. If we only allowed the 3004 fets, then technically, Kevin's ma-010 actually wouldn't qualify for the stock class. As for where to get replacement stock fets, they can be found at the shop here
HAT3010R MOSFET Chip - 1PC #18250
http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?p...cat=282&page=1
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2006.12.04, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wsaenotsock
I'm screwed! I'd still like to run the PN motor just because it makes the car work so much better and not be counted in the points series.
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I'll tell you what, if Hank get's his 010, that'll be 2 people with 010's. I'll then try get one soon too. Then we'll have enough for an open class. I would imagine a few others might follow suit. That would solve some problems with people who want to run "other" configurations (motor's, FET's, etc...).
Does anybody know what other clubs are doing with the 010s? Are they running them in stock class? With a stock motor, I believe they are slower, but... they probably can be setup to corner more efficiently thus compensating for the slower speed? Thoughts???
If we end up having an open class, it would most likely be started later and have fewer entries, so we wouldn't keep points or award points prizes... but people racing in this class would be eligible for the raffle prize at the end of the season if they compete in 7 of the 10 races.
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2006.12.04, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pinoyboy
...about the fets, I think we should follow the HFAY rules on fets. I think their new season is about to start and their gonna allow the use of 3010 fets on all chassis
Its either 3004(mr-02) fets or 3010(MA-010) fets. If we only allowed the 3004 fets, then technically, Kevin's ma-010 actually wouldn't qualify for the stock class. As for where to get replacement stock fets, they can be found at the shop here
HAT3010R MOSFET Chip - 1PC #18250
http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?p...cat=282&page=1
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That sounds good to me. I think you're right, the HFAY rules have most likely been scrutinized carefully to determine the best practices concerning class rules. Can you provide a link to their rules? I would assume that an 010 can compete in stock class if the motor is still the stock Kyosho motor?
Thanks Hank.
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2006.12.04, 03:04 PM
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By the way Kevin... nice car! Looking good!
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2006.12.04, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlRC
anybody have ideas on the FETs issue.
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I don't think FETs will be a problem. The newer FETs are 30% more powerful than the older FETs. If some one goes out today and buys a stock Mini-Z with the newer FETs I feel they should be able to run in the stock class.
So even if you have upgraded FETs on your older board, it still would be very close in power to the newer upgraded boards.
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2006.12.04, 03:10 PM
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here is the basic rundown of what most clubs are doing in their stock classes.
the new stock mini-z's come with the 3010 fets. (MR-02's and MA-010). Some of the 02's come with 3004 and some 3010. All the AWD's have the 3010 fets.
so to keep things as simple as possible both fets are to be allowed. and the main limiting factor being the motor. now the 3010 fets do provide a slight advantage over the 3004 equipt cars so the option is available for them to upgrade if they wish.
The HFAY rules are set up this way, and even though the AWD's have the 3010 fets the compete very well with the 3004 fet equipt cars because of the additional drag that the drivetain puts on them.
also if your car has the 4562 fets, they do make a huge difference in power and shouldn't be allowed to compete against the others.
just a note on the Fet Safe motors: they are not all created equal. the PN Fet stock, PN speedy05, PN SpeedyNM, Atomic Standard and Atomic Stock motors are single stack fet safe.
all listed above are faster than the Kyosho stock motor, and some by alot. the advantage comes in depending on the size of track being run and the skill of the driver
heres a link to the HFAY stock Rules:
http://hfay.tinyrc.com/Default.aspx?tabid=95
season 3 will be updated to include the 3010 fets as legal in any chassis.
Hope this helps.
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2006.12.04, 03:20 PM
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I have the upgraded 3010 fets and you guys saw how my car ran. Starts off okay and then falls off fast. After 5 minutes the motor was scalding hot, had to be careful how to pick it up. I was worried about heat damage to the board so much heat was emitting off of it. I built a homemade pit fan for it but after running the PN around it's really not needed. Power stays consistent and gets only warm. I'd prefer to race this motor and have fun (no points) than to burn my fingers and not be competitive. This is where different classes would help. Need others to buy AWD kits.
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2006.12.04, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by briankstan
here is the basic rundown of what most clubs are doing in their stock classes...
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Yep, that helps a bunch! Thanks.
I believe we should adhere to the HFAY rules regarding stock class. Anybody second the motion??? Again here is a link to the rules.
http://hfay.tinyrc.com/Default.aspx?tabid=95
I'll have to check my FETs in the car that I run and make sure they are not the 4562s. If so, I'll swap out the board with one from another "stock" mini-z that I have.
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2006.12.04, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wsaenotsock
I have the upgraded 3010 fets and you guys saw how my car ran. Starts off okay and then falls off fast. After 5 minutes the motor was scalding hot, had to be careful how to pick it up. I was worried about heat damage to the board so much heat was emitting off of it. I built a homemade pit fan for it but after running the PN around it's really not needed. Power stays consistent and gets only warm. I'd prefer to race this motor and have fun (no points) than to burn my fingers and not be competitive. This is where different classes would help. Need others to buy AWD kits.
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A few posts ago, I made a comment regarding a class for 010... Maybe you missed it with all these posts flying around. It's getting hard to keep up! Anyway, here's most of it again:
"I'll tell you what, if Hank get's his 010, that'll be 2 people with 010's. I'll then try get one soon too. Then we'll have enough for an open class. I would imagine a few others might follow suit. That would solve some problems with people who want to run "other" configurations (motor's, FET's, etc...).
If we end up having an open class, it would most likely be started later and have fewer entries, so we wouldn't keep points or award points prizes... but people racing in this class would be eligible for the raffle prize at the end of the season if they compete in 7 of the 10 races."
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2006.12.04, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlRC
A few posts ago, I made a comment regarding a class for 010... Maybe you missed it with all these posts flying around. It's getting hard to keep up! Anyway, here's most of it again:
"I'll tell you what, if Hank get's his 010, that'll be 2 people with 010's. I'll then try get one soon too. Then we'll have enough for an open class. I would imagine a few others might follow suit. That would solve some problems with people who want to run "other" configurations (motor's, FET's, etc...).
If we end up having an open class, it would most likely be started later and have fewer entries, so we wouldn't keep points or award points prizes... but people racing in this class would be eligible for the raffle prize at the end of the season if they compete in 7 of the 10 races."
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That sounds good Patrick, you mentioned this at the end of the last race. Neil almost bought a MA-010 when some guy had the price listed wrong on Ebay. You can drive mine around this weekend and see how you like it. I picked some new tires and want to try some different combinations.
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