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Old 2012.11.16, 11:37 AM   #61
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Those guys are busy enough as it is racing where the money is. If Kyosho wants there factory drivers to run Mini-z then it's only an email away,but its not going to happen me thinks.
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Old 2012.11.16, 12:43 PM   #62
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Those guys are busy enough as it is racing where the money is. If Kyosho wants there factory drivers to run Mini-z then it's only an email away,but its not going to happen me thinks.
I didnt know these top tier drivers have a secretary on these forums. All im saying is that we need a change to get more interest. Stay the same and more and more mini-z guys will do something else.
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Old 2012.11.16, 12:48 PM   #63
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ok, granted having a star 1/10 driver show up and run around you is great. the 99% of the rest of us live with the locals. as it turns out, we actually do have several 1/10 driver in mini-z locally and they all say they enjoy the atmosphere of mini-z much more. i agree, mini-z actually does help hone skills for larger classes.

hedging bets on bringing drives down in scale is not going to provide the spark you are looking for and certainly not switching to carpet tracks. in 12 years it has not happened and statistically speaking, it's not likely to happen. doesn't mean it can't, it's just unlikely. i believe the community needs the spark from the non racing community actually. that is where the majority has been historically and where it lost the most over the years.
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Old 2012.11.16, 01:17 PM   #64
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Yes, RCP has contributed to the mini-z community. But mini-z needs a spark and is on its down fall. If your happy with your 10-15 regulars at your local club then by all means make no changes. Im just giving you my 2 cents and sharing what I have been told by other scale racers. And those racers that are telling me this are not your average joe. They are drivers that you see in magazines, websites, etc.

I believe the 1/10th crowd will benefit mini-z tremendously. For example: This past weekend Team Kyosho driver Cody Turner came out to race with us. Everyone was not only star struck but got their ass handed by a guy who raced mini z for 2 weeks. Cody was also one of the friendliest guys in the pits and was very approachable. What does this do for the mini-z community you ask? One it pushes people that have been doing mini-z for a while to be even faster and to set new goals/standard. The biggest thing it did was now all Cody's friends (bigger scale drivers) know about mini-z and wont think of it as "a toy". If Cody were to get guys like Tebo, Maifield, Cavalieri to mini-z, then will get a ton of exposure and be on the map.

PN racing is in the meca of R/C! You would think that they would have the most turn out. I heard at the regional's they had about 10. Drive a few miles down the street and you have 150 entries at a offroad Wednesday club race.
I would be very suprised if you see Cody there in two months from now. I had a few guys here that were in the A main at the ROAR on road Nats last year. If you don't have high level drivers at your track weekly I think they get bored and go back to the larger classes. My $.02
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Old 2012.11.16, 01:18 PM   #65
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we actually do have several 1/10 driver in mini-z locally and they all say they enjoy the atmosphere of mini-z much more. i agree, mini-z actually does help hone skills for larger classes.
Share that loving atmosphere with more of the 1/10 drivers and mini-z will grow. Go out to some 1/10 races and show them how fast mini-z guys are. All 1/10 guys know at my track that if you race mini-z you are probably pretty fast. Thats one way i get 1/10 guys to come out and mini-z.

Hard thing is to get them into it. Why dont they like it? "RCP track". Most of them are used to racing on smooth seamless surfaces that make there car consistent and predictable. Yes, some RCP tracks I raced on are buttery smooth(when new and from same batch). RCP rails grab you when you take a tight line, Rails also make your car bounce back into traffic, uneven tiles, etc. Remember these are complaints I here from these guys and not necessarily how i feel about it. Racing on RCP also requires a car to be heavily modified from the get go. Have you ever tried racing a box stock z on rcp? it sucks! Which makes initial start cost go up and scares away new drivers.
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Old 2012.11.16, 01:21 PM   #66
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Here is the plan

6months ago I didn't have a mini-Z, but now we have a club and close to 30+ racers so we are doing our bit here down under. :

If 5 guys on here do the same and start a mini-z racing in there local neighbourhood, it is not impossible to attract 5-10 new mini-z racers. So thats another new 25-50 new recruit. : Im a 1/10 racer and most of the racer we have so you just need someone to start it off.

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Get Losi or Associated or any of the big manufacturers make a 1/28 scale R/C. Then you will see the 150-300 drivers per meet
Imagine getting a salary of $50K-$100K & flying business class every week to anywhere in the world racing Mini-Z

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Old 2012.11.16, 01:43 PM   #67
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Wow... that was a lot of reading. Now onto my rant.

I have spent the last 5 years of my life dedicating myself to growing the mini-z community in the bay area and about 50k dollars invested...

As many of you know Fast Pace Racing is no longer in business... we converted the business to a just a club now.

I'm not going to blame the economy... and I was still capable of keeping the shop open much longer, but I was tired of lack of support.

And TJ, thank for you introducing me to the shop, it was a very good run.

At the beginning there was decent support both from PN and Atomic. As the years went, it just declined. Atomic pretty much pulled out completely.

I felt that Inside Line Racing and PN racing were one sided in all their efforts to not really care about Fast Pace Racing, and for ILR understandable, I know this is a business, but when you say you want to build the community and get everyone together that doesn't happen at all. And as a business goes... competition is actually good to have, it allows people to have choices.

At the finals, I had a message from PN asking for my support to sponsor PNWC with more track pieces and such at the last minute, you guys knew my shop is less than 15 minutes away from where the worlds took place but not once did you involve me in any planning and even a hint at trying to work together with me, and you guys know that FPR brings half of the mini-z crowd to all your races. That's why this years PNWC no one from FPR attended.

The last PN regional attempt. PN support didn't even come out when they said they would and at the last minute pulled out and when I hyped everyone up for the event and they find out no PN people will be there, they dropped out as well.

Being in such close proximity to PN Headquarters I would think that we would get more involved and work closer together, that was never the case. I actively catered to PN parts over any other brand and made sure to push the brand, but now that I look back, it wasn't worth it. I had made it very apparent that PN was the brand to go for in the shop, banners up everywhere counters full of PN swag.

I hope this feedback makes an impact on the way you do business. Maybe it was this partnership PN had with ILR that they didn't want to involve my shop, but I hope the best of luck to your future.

As for me I am happily racing at our new track at Aero micro now, I will be brining the FPR guys out there to race and hangout.

Good luck to the future of mini-z.

Let the bashing begin.

I'm out.
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Somebody really needs to pass the popcorn!
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Old 2012.11.16, 02:30 PM   #69
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At the finals, I had a message from PN asking for my support to sponsor PNWC with more track pieces and such at the last minute, you guys knew my shop is less than 15 minutes away from where the worlds took place but not once did you involve me in any planning and even a hint at trying to work together with me, and you guys know that FPR brings half of the mini-z crowd to all your races. That's why this years PNWC no one from FPR attended.
so did you provide the track sections requested?
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Old 2012.11.16, 02:51 PM   #70
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so did you provide the track sections requested?
No I did not.
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No I did not.
fwiw, based on your description I can't say I would have either.... I'm the king of grudges...
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I ate it all... I'll through another bag in the microwave

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Old 2012.11.16, 03:07 PM   #73
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I seem to have gotten lost throughout the thread...

umm.... what is the goal or purpose in mind for this thread?
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Old 2012.11.16, 03:13 PM   #74
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I seem to have gotten lost throughout the thread...

umm.... what is the goal or purpose in mind for this thread?
I am not sure; I was looking for an amicable partnership and collaboration for future Mini-z US events . It then turned into a history lesson + RCP/Carpet debate with various rants inbetween.
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