HFAY on Jan 27 Ann Arbor GTG

[hobbycar]

David asked me to help "officiate" running the HFAY at our GTG this Friday January 27th.

Here are some links to info (which I'll be looking through again):

http://www.howfastareyou.com/ How Fast Are You website (NOTE: here is a link to the firefox friendly version of HFAY site ).

Specifically the Online Points Series Manually (updated 1-1-06)

Also based on the rules who is going to be in Stock and who is going to be in Open?

Stock Class Rules
1. Stock Mini-Z, Iwaver, or Xmod PCB. (absolutely no modifications)
2. Stock 130 Motor
3. No Fet Stacks or Fet Upgrades.
4. No Foam Tires
5. No Traction Compounds
6. After-market Suspension Upgrades are Allowed (any manufacturer)
7. After-market Alloy Parts are Allowed (any manufacturer)
8. Batteries Must be either Ni-MH 1.2 volt rechargeable (any Mah), or Alkaline 1.25 volt. (4 cells only)
9. No Lexan Bodies. (permitted bodies include Kyosho Mini-Z bodies, Iwaver bodies, or Xmod bodies)
10. Any Pinion Gearing is Allowed

Open Class
1. 1/24th -1/28th Scale
2. Any Motor
3. Any PCB.
4. Any Chassis
5. Basically if it's made you can use it.

[hobbycar]

BTW, does anyone know if my old mini-z Ferrari 360 body with the rear window cutout will still qualify for "stock class rules"?

The rear window was cutout because it was already cracked and needed extra clearance for an upper shock mount on an MR-01.

My main car (94mm MM MR-02 Ferrari 575GTC) will have to be mod (Atomic Standard Motor) unless I figure out how to drill the stock motor can before Friday (anyone have a 2mm tap and drill press I can borrow?). I do have another MR-02 that is stock I can run with my bruiser Ferrari 360 body if the "open rear window" doesn't disqualify the car from running stock.

-hobbycar

[imxlr8ed]

That's fine... we just don't want to see any severe changes, like huge wings, bondo airdams... that kind of stuff.

Also... the classes described were for the Time Trials, for all rules for the points series, SEE THE MANUAL ONLY !

It should give you a better idea of whats legal (basically all stock boards and motors for the first series, no F1s). Also, the stock board must stay with it's respective chassis, for example, you cannot use an AWD board in an MR02. It's explained in the manual. Thanks for participating !

Best of luck !

Also, VDS bodies are allowed as well... I'm not sure if anyone used them yet though ?

[hobbycar]

Originally Posted by imxlr8ed

That's fine... we just don't want to see any severe changes, like huge wings, bondo airdams... that kind of stuff.

Also... the classes described were for the Time Trials, for all rules for the points series, SEE THE MANUAL ONLY !

It should give you a better idea of whats legal (basically all stock boards and motors for the first series, no F1s). Also, the stock board must stay with it's respective chassis, for example, you cannot use an AWD board in an MR02. It's explained in the manual. Thanks for participating !

Best of luck !

Also, VDS bodies are allowed as well... I'm not sure if anyone used them yet though ?

imxlr8ed, thanks for pointing out the difference between the HFAY OLPS and the HFAY Time Trials. So some big restrictions in the OLPS is it does not allow any upgraded FETs or board mods and requires the use of the stock motor (e.g. only the Kyosho stock motor for Kyosho Mini-Zs).

I'm pretty sure that some of our guys don't have any Mini-Zs that meet these restrictions. Is it okay if we run a "mixed" Main with some cars meeting restrictions and others that don't? Then we would only submit the times for the cars that meet the restrictions?

If not we will have to run a OLPS race (qualifying and Mains) and non-OLPS races for fun.

-hobbycar

[hobbycar]

Okay, here is a quick suggestion on how we'll structure the night. Any input is welcome.

1) Setup Track (HFAY #1)
2) Open Practice time
3) HFAY OLPS Qualifying for HFAY #1 Clockwise (multiple 5minute qualifying runs)
4) Short Open Practice
5) HFAY OLPS Mains for HFAY #1 Clockwise (8 minute Mains)
6) Practice time (running Counter-Clockwise)
7) HFAY OLPS Qualifying for HFAY #1 Counter-Clockwise (multiple 5minute qualifying runs)
8) Short Open Practice
9) HFAY OLPS Mains for HFAY #1 Counter-Clockwise (8 minute Mains)
10) Reconfigure Track (e.g. add extensions, make track bigger, longer straight, etc.)
11) Have more fun for hours

[Draconious]

One thing I would like to point out, for the clock wise and counter clock wise version of the #1 track, is the lap counter needs to be moved when it changes . No Big deal...

I guess my car is stock-able... and yes I took the neomagnets off LOL.
But I ponder my antenna.. I will likely be using my internal antenna (home made) from now on... I can still slap the stock back on if needed tho...

And I recomend we find a way to tape the transponders on the bottom of the car?! -- because I am thinking its the batteries being between the reader and the transponder that might cause problems, that is after all a large wall of metal in the way...

[hobbycar]

Originally Posted by Draconious

One thing I would like to point out, for the clock wise and counter clock wise version of the #1 track, is the lap counter needs to be moved when it changes . No Big deal...

I guess my car is stock-able... and yes I took the neomagnets off LOL.
But I ponder my antenna.. I will likely be using my internal antenna (home made) from now on... I can still slap the stock back on if needed tho...

And I recomend we find a way to tape the transponders on the bottom of the car?! -- because I am thinking its the batteries being between the reader and the transponder that might cause problems, that is after all a large wall of metal in the way...

Drac, thanks for pointing out that detail about the lap counter.

I don't see anything in the rules that outlaw any antenna mods/changes. Unless you were just kidding

Unless we figure out a way to assure that there are no dropped lap counts we may have to do the "tape the transponder to the bottom of the car" trick. One concern though is that although this is not explicitly against the HFAY OLPS rules, someone might consider it an underbody aerodynamic modification. Personally I don't think taping the transponder to the bottom of the car will give the car any advantage with stock motors and when the straights are relatively short straights.

-hobbycar

[Draconious]

I would see it as a disadvantage aero wise being under the car...
but no im serious about the antenna... see image, anything else on my car I cant use? I have washers under the lock nuts to take up slop.. those leagal?

Can we ADD weight? hehe...

[hobbycar]

BTW, slightly off topic: does anyone have a mini-tripod for a digital camera?

I was going to try to setup my digital camera at this weeks GTG to take videos of the 8 minute mains.

-hobbycar

[Draconious]

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lol

[hobbycar]

Originally Posted by Draconious

I would see it as a disadvantage aero wise being under the car...
but no im serious about the antenna... see image, anything else on my car I cant use? I have washers under the lock nuts to take up slop.. those leagal?

Can we ADD weight? hehe...

I don't see why the antenna would be illegal. Plus I think your heatsink/allow motor clip is fine. As long as the PCB is stock and that stock mini-z motor hasn't been opened up I think that car will be good (assuming you use a mini-z body on it and not some lexan one).

-hobbycar

[hobbycar]

Originally Posted by Draconious

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Drac that's good and cheap enough, but can they deliver it to GTG on Friday

Or maybe I should do a search on shop.tinyrc.com .... you never know what David's got up for sale in his store

(BTW I'm trying to work out a deal where I get .01 cents for every post I mention the shop. If I do I can get a free AWD with another 1,500,000 posts Wish me luck)

-hobbycar

[Mazda787b]

I have a mini tripod I will be bringing with my Olympus digicam.

So we will be running HFAY? Is anyone else planning to run mod?

The transponders on bottom wouldn't be a disadvantage. Infact, it would allow the air to run smoother under the car. The Zs weren't designed with under-chassis aerodynamics in mind, so I doubt it will make a big diffierence. I plan on lowering my car ith the shim kit anyways......

I need to re-solder some wires and I will test my FET stack tomorrow. If all goes will I will be out.

[Dusty Weasle]

I’m not the final word on this but I was in on the rules writing, so I’ll throw this out there:

Any homemade or retail antenna would be fine, just no 38” satellite dish stuck to the roof or a cable running back to your remote.

Holy smokes! Your antenna picture just finished downloading, I think I found your Core reception problem! Run a current though that thing and you could give somebody a CAT Scan.

Anyway, shims in the wheels or other suspension elements would be fine. It’s all about balancing the car and making it run clean. We just don’t want anything that moves electrons through the motor faster and such stuff as that. It’s not RTR stock, just stock behavior. The motor and PCB are the big restrictions.


On transponders- Put ‘em wherever works for ‘ya. When we got F1’s at Mini-AZ we only had the large transponders, so we taped one to the bottom to see if it’d work. It did work, but the tag got a little roughed up around the edges.

I suppose if you taped around all edges it would be ok, as long as the tape doesn’t begin to peel back during the race. You don’t want that dragging on the RCP. May as well hang a parachute off the back if that happens.

[hobbycar]

Originally Posted by Mazda787b

I have a mini tripod I will be bringing with my Olympus digicam.

So we will be running HFAY? Is anyone else planning to run mod?

The transponders on bottom wouldn't be a disadvantage. Infact, it would allow the air to run smoother under the car. The Zs weren't designed with under-chassis aerodynamics in mind, so I doubt it will make a big diffierence. I plan on lowering my car ith the shim kit anyways......

I need to re-solder some wires and I will test my FET stack tomorrow. If all goes will I will be out.

Mazda787b, the mini tripod would be much appreciated.

Yes we will be running HFAY OLPS this GTG. Unfortunately, the OLPS does not allow modified PCBs (e.g. FETs) or non-stock motors. I know this is an issue for you, my primary car (94mm MM MR02), and some others. So depending on who shows up with what we may "quickly" do the HFAY OLPS stuff and then redo the track config and have some open races for even more fun

BTW, I'll have an extra MR-01 with stock motor to race in the HFAY OLPS if you (or someone else) wants to borrow it.

Originally Posted by Dusty Weasle

I’m not the final word on this but I was in on the rules writing, so I’ll throw this out there:

Any homemade or retail antenna would be fine, just no 38” satellite dish stuck to the roof or a cable running back to your remote.

Holy smokes! Your antenna picture just finished downloading, I think I found your Core reception problem! Run a current though that thing and you could give somebody a CAT Scan.

Anyway, shims in the wheels or other suspension elements would be fine. It’s all about balancing the car and making it run clean. We just don’t want anything that moves electrons through the motor faster and such stuff as that. It’s not RTR stock, just stock behavior. The motor and PCB are the big restrictions.


On transponders- Put ‘em wherever works for ‘ya. When we got F1’s at Mini-AZ we only had the large transponders, so we taped one to the bottom to see if it’d work. It did work, but the tag got a little roughed up around the edges.

I suppose if you taped around all edges it would be ok, as long as the tape doesn’t begin to peel back during the race. You don’t want that dragging on the RCP. May as well hang a parachute off the back if that happens.

Dusty Weasle, thanks for the feedback.

-hobbycar