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Old 2011.03.09, 01:56 AM   #31
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Old 2011.03.09, 07:23 AM   #32
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Old 2011.03.09, 08:56 AM   #33
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Old 2011.03.09, 05:06 PM   #34
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What do you guys run with the T-Plate?

I read below that folks don't run the side springs with the t-plate setup.

Do you run the Disk Damper? Or is the plate stiff enough that you don't need it?

If no DD, then do you run a spring?

Also, when PN came out with new tires for the F1 a few years ago, traction picked way up. What are you guys using for tires?
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Old 2011.03.09, 05:45 PM   #35
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I read below that folks don't run the side springs with the t-plate setup.

Do you run the Disk Damper? Or is the plate stiff enough that you don't need it?

If no DD, then do you run a spring?

Also, when PN came out with new tires for the F1 a few years ago, traction picked way up. What are you guys using for tires?
Some use the springs and some dont, its all preference. I dont like using them, it makes the car have alot of steering mid-exit inthe corner.

Again with the dds, some use it some dont. You need something to dampen the rear end though, otherwise it will just bounce around. I ran side plates and a rear shock for a long time with no side springs and it worked just fine.

I have been using K30 front and K20 rear tires. The PN fronts seem to be ok but the rears would only be good for one run for me. I need to mess around with them again, maybe it was just a bad batch or something.
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Old 2011.03.09, 08:01 PM   #36
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I am using the T-plate system with the Kyosho dampner and shock. It is by far the most consistant system I have used or tried.

I would highly recommend using it, you will not be disappointed. The Mantis side plates also work well if you don't like the idea removing the T plate each time.

The wing and front diffuser work great as well. If anything get the front diffuser at the very least.
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Old 2011.03.09, 08:38 PM   #37
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for sure get the front bumper. it is a must. i am interested in trying the g10 tplate. i wanted to as, can you do the barge board out of the same material you made the plastic wings out of?
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Old 2011.03.09, 11:30 PM   #38
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for sure get the front bumper. it is a must. i am interested in trying the g10 tplate. i wanted to as, can you do the barge board out of the same material you made the plastic wings out of?
cant make it out of that material it is a pain in the butt to cut which is why i stopped making the wings out of it! why would you want that anyway??
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Old 2011.03.13, 05:48 PM   #39
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matlerial came in saturdy so the team guys will have some prototypes sometime this week!
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Old 2011.03.13, 05:52 PM   #40
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@MANTIS - The Tamiya F1 is so sweet.... You ever think about producing a true rear-link suspension for the Mini-Z F1 similar to the F104??? Or are your T-plates for the Mini-Z F1 just as good IYO??
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Felix,

One major issue is designing the system to work with very little clearance between the motormount and the chassis. Also, the center ball pivot would have nothing to attach to on the chassis. If you use a battery cover, similar to how the t-plate is mounted, but mount the pivot ball to that, it may work, but how much better than a t-plate will it be? And will it produce more grip than the t-plate setup?

I have been toying with this idea for a long time... and every time I get a good idea, I have a bunch of other ideas that need to be worked out to make it work. In general, it is complicated due to the battery tray opening on the bottom (ideally I would like to use the standard battery cover). There is also nearly no room to work with under the body. Marcus and I have been bouncing around this idea for at least a year, as well as a few others...
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Old 2011.03.13, 06:32 PM   #42
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^ THat's cool, I figured this idea about a linkage rear-end has been tried or proto'ed with no success... I actually think the Mantis T-plate is a great idea, and I honestly don't see to many negatives with it either, so I think that I might have to try the Mantis T-plate system (Super-soft sounds great). Thanks for your input as always EMU
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Old 2011.03.13, 06:47 PM   #43
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there is just no space to do anything and still keep the body looking somewhat like an F1.I HATE having crap sticking out of the body. once LIFE and BL kicks into the mini-z world i can make a complete chassis that will put the batteries in a better spot and even go partially independent (like the AWD). one thing that we do in 10/12th scale pan cars (basically mini-z) is go with a 1s LIPO setup which cuts the voltage in half but you compensate that by running a hotter motor and gearing the crap out of it and they are still fast as crap , you really dont notice it because of the weight. i guess this would work with mini-z if you think about it, go with 2 high MAH batteries and a super hot wound motor (like a 20t or 15t). the 2 cells could be rotated and sit on the outer most part of the stock chassis and that would leave a bunch of room in the center. only problem with this is it would not be legal in anything other than local racing (if even that).
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Old 2011.03.13, 06:50 PM   #44
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HMMMMMMMM i just thought about it if you go with lower voltage and a hotter motor you could actually almost go direct drive using an AWD dif!! you dont need the extra gear reduction. i may have to actually work on this. i dont think it would be lightspeed faster than what we have now but i think it will handle better and more consistent.
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Old 2011.03.13, 07:11 PM   #45
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Marcus, all sounds good. Be looking forward to more T-bar options.
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