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Old 2013.07.03, 10:50 PM   #16
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like the mythbusters lab... can you pls explain the bottles? hmm... pardon my ignorance, but what is tall oil soap? where do you get it? and isn't having oil in the soap going to make it... er more slippery? unless it is a soap specifically made for oil... kinda like tall, oil soap vs. tall oil, soap...

kinda like our philippine eagle also known as the monkey eating eagle... is it a monkey eating an eagle? or an eagle eating a monkey?...

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Old 2014.09.24, 03:49 PM   #17
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Hi Jesse!

Any information about this magical product? We have a track that we used to race with silicon tires on the smooth side and this product might be the key to get our track back again.

Currently, the track has been set on the rough side for 3 to four years now and we are all afraid of reversing the track because of this silicon.
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Old 2014.09.25, 04:33 AM   #18
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This is the product we used:

http://fromfinland.fi/en/havu-pine-soap.html

Don't know any other names or brands for this product, but there likely is some.

The most important thing was to wash the surface and vacuum the washing solution off while the surface was still wet. Pine soap doesn't dissolve silicone, but it removes it from the surface quite well, so you still have to remove the soap-silicone mixture from the surface because if you fail to do so, the solution just drys up and the silicone remains on the surface.

Just a reminder here is the video again where you can see what was the process we used for cleaning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bvuR...ature=youtu.be

This doesn't clean the track 100% - but at least 85% so you should be able to race on the surface again, so the last bits of the silicone are removed by the rubber tires scrubbing the track.

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Old 2014.09.26, 03:58 AM   #19
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that track looks huge... thanks for sharing... are there any other places wher you can get pine soap? how dong did it take to clean everything? did you use a special type of vacuum? - thanks in advance...
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Old 2014.09.26, 04:18 AM   #20
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We used

http://www.karcher.com/int/Products/...r/14393100.htm

It took us about one evening to clean the track once we figured out how to do it.

No clue on where you could get pine soap. You can also test other soaps by yourself and see how they work if you don't have pine soap anywhere.
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Old 2014.10.05, 12:19 PM   #21
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Thanks for the link Tuomas!

I ordered a few bottle of this soap and now we'll need to check this out as we receive it.
I will keep you posted on our results.
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Old 2014.11.03, 03:50 PM   #22
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Hi there!

We got the product and washed our track. We did it twice wich a special shampoo machine for carpet + vacuum right after this.

This indeed improved our track grip but we still have a lot of running ahead as the tires keep collecting the rest of the silicon still on the track.

We will try to constantly run PN tires for the moment. do you know if kyosho tires affect the track? I read somewhere they also contains a small amount of silicon but as I know you have had extensive tire tests...

Also, do you know a product that we can use as tire cleaner that won't kill our track? Some were considering the WD40 which I would personnaly avoid as it's oily. I would more use dry tissue or something that can dry out quickly. Any experience on this?

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Old 2014.11.03, 04:44 PM   #23
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Kyosho tires contains silicone! Not much but enough to affect grip levels for pther tires.
That is the reason tracks where mostly Kyosho tires have been used grip is lower with real rubber tires (PN, rubber slot tires etc).
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Old 2014.11.04, 02:00 PM   #24
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Kyosho tires containing SILICONE??

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Kyosho tires contains silicone! Not much but enough to affect grip levels for pther tires.
That is the reason tracks where mostly Kyosho tires have been used grip is lower with real rubber tires (PN, rubber slot tires etc).
Is this true? Can someone confirm please?
And if so, how come are they allowed in international competitions (RCP)? (i.e. PNWC)

At our club we run 30%/70% (kyosho/PN share) fronts and 60%/40% (kyosho/PN share) rears, but haven't notice any effect on rcp grip.

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Old 2014.11.04, 07:21 PM   #25
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I run mostly PN tires but run Kyosho 20 slick rears and 30 slick fronts on occasion and havent noticed a grip issue. Would like to know for sure also.
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