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Old 2016.05.12, 11:02 AM   #16
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Old 2016.05.13, 08:26 AM   #17
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always nice to see KYO put out multi offset wheelsets that are somewhat stylish and bonus, they are in white this time.

disappointing we still are not seeing brushless buggy.
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Old 2016.05.14, 04:32 PM   #18
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Brushless buggy is out, at least in Japan. One is on ebay right now.
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Old 2016.05.14, 10:56 PM   #19
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disappointing we still are not seeing brushless buggy.
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Brushless buggy is out, at least in Japan. One is on ebay right now.
Hasn't the brushless buggy been available since last year?
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Old 2016.05.15, 02:35 AM   #20
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I've never seen that motor pod before. If that is a Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ, I thought it should be a 94mm RM. Is this an official Kyosho part?

edit: duuuhhhhh it was already explained on page 1.. I'm late, and lazy!

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Old 2016.08.26, 08:20 AM   #21
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anyone see news on when the MM2 motor mount kit is to be released?
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Old 2016.08.26, 05:45 PM   #22
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anyone see news on when the MM2 motor mount kit is to be released?
Should be any week now. Saw it out overseas.
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Old 2016.08.28, 02:27 PM   #23
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I have some on the way I'll report what I find when I get them!
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Old 2016.08.29, 07:58 PM   #24
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Kyosho America has had them for two weeks now.
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Old 2016.08.31, 01:17 PM   #25
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MM2 motor pod(s) arrived today I'll get one installed when I get home and take pictures and give a report on how it drives. Stand by!
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Old 2016.09.01, 02:38 AM   #26
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Well no pictures yet but some first impressions for you guys and gals:

The motor pod and shock when installed is VERY tall. I installed it on my 98 mm 70T car which I run a McLaren F1 body on, and much to my disappointment it definitely was not going to fit The shock interferes with the body so much that it's difficult to put the body on, and the motor pod has absolutely zero movement when it is. Bummer. I don't know how Kyosho thinks this is going to work on any racing bodies as a majority of them will be too low. To be sure, I shortened the wheelbase to 94 mm and grabbed a 2007 NSX body (the wide one) on my bench and installed that only to find that it too interfered with the body and effectively locked the motor pod in place, so there is zero rear suspension. Whats the deal Kyosho

Thankfully, it actually works pretty well without the shock! The damper plate then becomes super low profile, kind of a MML configuration. My McLaren F1 body easily fit over this configuration so I did a handful of laps on my track to compare lap times. I'll post more detailed results tomorrow, but I set the fastest lap of the night with the MM2 pod and no rear shock, but average lap times were about 0.1-0.2 seconds slower than the traditional 98mm mid motor pod and Kyosho damper/shock.

In the 94 mm or 102 mm configuration, there will be no interference between the screws that hold the damper plate bracket to the chassis and the screws that secure the damper plate to the bracket. In the 98 mm configuration, the screws simply will not fit unless you sand down the damper plate a bit. VERY surprised to find myself using a file to get stock Kyosho parts to fit. I can't think of any other time I've ever had to do this... a little disappointing really.

Contrary to what Kyosho says, brushed motors WILL fit if you again cut the motor pod a little bit. I was bummed I had to cut/file the MM2 pod/damper combo in two different places to get it to fit/work for me, but I really can't fault Kyosho for that because they did explicitly state it was not compatible with brushed motors. I just said "hogwash!" and boldly ordered them anyways. Glad I was (mostly) correct . It will run a little warm though as the case swallows the motor much more than then old pod does.

On the track, it feels very similar to the old 98 mm pod and the drive is just about the same. I would say the MM2 pod feels a little looser and the rear end moves around a little more but the difference is subtle. Overall I was very pleased with how it drove on the track but I doubt it would handle so pleasant with a much more powerful motor, unless you were able to use a body that could accommodate the shock.

Overall...it's a mixed bag and requires further investigation. My next plan is to use one on my old, brushed JSCC chassis which currently runs RM and a Toyota GT86 body. The GT86 is quite tall and the inside of the body is cavernous so I suspect there will be no damper/shock interference with that body.

I'll share pictures and more driving notes in the next few days, perhaps over the long weekend

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Old 2016.09.01, 06:01 AM   #27
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Thanks for the details on this.
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Old 2016.09.01, 08:13 AM   #28
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thanks as well, look forward to the pictures. my hope is that this motor mount configuration will bring in more diversity to stock class racing as it provides a disk damper similar to LM which currently dominates stock class. for that to happen, it has to provide improved performance over the stock damper.
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Old 2016.09.06, 02:00 AM   #29
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Hi everyone

Sorry for the late reply.

I've messed around with this setup a little more over the long weekend and am moderately satisfied with it at this point. I changed the chassis from 98 mm to 94 mm and switched the McLaren F1 for a 2K7 NSX body. Additionally, I switched to a heavier grease for the damper plate and a stiffer T-plate. Now my little stock car was starting to feel really good on my home track... To be sure, the 98 mm car with Kyosho damper and shock is a smoother car that is easier to drive, but my 94 mm setup, even now, is already quicker. It needs some fine tuning to get it really dialed in as good as the 98 mm setup was working, but I am absolutely sure this car is quicker.

For the time being, because it wasn't as much of a landslide as I thought it would be, I'm not going to convert my JSCC car from RM to MM at this time. I do have an extra motor pod that I may use to build another JSCC chassis though.

Hopefully Kyosho eventually comes out with some tuning parts for the MM2 pod like a low profile carbon damper plate/shock.

I do have to say I really really like the adjustable axial height addition to the MM2 pod. If only this was available on the 98 mm pod too!

I don't have any lap times for the 94 mm configuration (yet), but this should give you an idea of what changing the standard 98 mm pod for the MM2 pod in 98 configuration makes. I did a 10 lap sprint with each configuration after I'd ran around the track for 5-10 minutes to get the car warmed up:

Lap Thomas US spec 2 MR-03 (98 mm MM2 pod)
1 6.32
2 5.28
3 5.2
4 6.51
5 5.79
6 4.97
7 5.02
8 4.74
9 4.97
10 6.87

Lap Thomas US spec 2 MR-03 (98 mm standard motor pod)
1 6.49
2 5.17
3 5.31
4 5.1
5 4.99
6 4.8
7 4.89
8 4.84
9 5.95
10 5.06

The MM2 car didn't have a few really slow laps, that was the driver not totally used to the new setup and making lots of mistakes

Overall I am optimistic about what this new pod brings to the table for Mini-Z. The diehard go-fast crowd will probably not be very satisfied or interested but it's a great addition to the mix for stock racing. Maybe it will generate some more interest for the JSCC class

Now, what you've all been waiting for:

98 mm stock car - before



98 mm stock car -after (MM2 pod)



This picture very clearly illustrates the problem with the damper bracket screws not clearing the damper plate when used in 98 mm configuration



From above, showing the same problem



This was after I sanded down the damper plate to fit, and removed the shock. This is how the car was set up when I took the lap times below.



The car in its current 94 mm configuration, which works really well:



Yeah baby! Looks mean!


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Old 2016.09.07, 02:54 AM   #30
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thanks for the review...
that does look a bit high with the top shock...
did taking out the top shock make any difference on laptimes / handling?
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